Anyone seen Ji Jie Hao yet? about the chinese civil war

ofone said:

I don't think this is a great film. In some aspects,it's rather bad. Lots of scenes is not real!you know, the PLA never used steel helmet in the civil war.There are too many mistakes in this film.

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if you watch the film closely the first time you will notice. the steel helmet, boots, submanchine guns. are all capature KMT equipments, there is a 10 to 15 secs scene after the first battle where the PLA soldier are sorting KMT equipments like children under the christmas tree getting gifts. and if you are "chinese" and understand Mandarin you'll also note before the second battle scene Capatin GU talked to his commander about getting supply for his men. and the commander told him to use capture equipments, but no heavy weapons, only 2 manchine guns and one towed AT gun. that is why before they head out to the second battle half of the men in the PLA platoon dress like KMT solders, and finally this is the reason why when Capatin Gu was the only survivor after the battle he was "Capature" by the PLA because he was wearing KMT uniforms when the PLA came back and took him to the hospital.

so please "watch" the film next time.

bd popeye said:

Well..I never watch ABC news. I watch FOX

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i watch, read all news BBC,ABC,CNN,Reuters,CCTV(chinese), FOX news yes even though i puke afterward sometimes, i don't limit myself to just one view.

Roger604 said:

It was a great movie. It nearly brought tears to my eyes.

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It was a decent war movie by Western standards, but I think that is going a bit too far.

The problem wuth the movie is that it tries too hard to live up to Western standards alone. In doing so, it takes away something unique from the Chinese aspect of the story.

Watching it, I felt I was basically seeing a Chinese version of "Band of Brothers" or "Saving Private Ryan" forced on the screen with Chinese soldiers and a Chinese storyline. Everything from the shaky way the camera was held (to recreate the "chaos" of battle), choreography, costumes, and dialoge seemed like the film was trying a bit too hard to be like its Hollywood counterparts.

For example, the Communist soldiers address each other as "brother" instead of "comrade" to focus more on the theme of "brotherhood" than the ideology, as is common in most Western war movies. Attempting to follow Western filmmaking again, it seeks to "humanize" its characters more than Chinese war films in the past (which tend to be more propagandized and epic), but it strangely leaves out the development of nationalist soldiers. If this film seeks to be more "humanizing" in its depiction of war, the failure to address the other side, the KMT, especially in a Chinese Civil War between brothers is inexcusable.

And there are a lot of unrealisms too. The uniforms look too much like left-overs from the set of Band of Brothers. A lot of the weapons look like M1s, Brownings, and MG42s left over from Saving Private Ryan. THe village set looks a lot like the same French village in Normandy the 101st was fighting over in Band of Brothers, exdcept with a few Chinese signs painted over. One can perhaps try to justify these unrealisms by making up some contrived explanation in one's head (such as that maybe the Communists had "captured" all these American-looking weapons), but the fact is that they exist and stick out.

All in all, Jie Jie Hao does manage to decently get its story across, one supposedly of brotherhood and bonds in time of war, but its apparent imitation of so many standards set by American WWII movies takes away much of the credit. I have seen this film before, except just a couple years earlier on HBO, with more famous Hollywood actors.

Well referring others as brother than comrade is a very common thing in China. I think using comrade is more like stereotype for communist nation.

Yeas, If i recall the Soviet union used the title: Citizen. Comrad was more used in the ranks of the party and its hierarchy.

Jiang Jieshi said:

If this film seeks to be more "humanizing" in its depiction of war, the failure to address the other side, the KMT, especially in a Chinese Civil War between brothers is inexcusable.

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That's a shame. I can understand if it's one country versus another that it's difficult to show both sides all the time. But with a civil conflict I think it's so much better to show both sides.

Some of my favourite war films show both sides, like "The Longest Day".

First "Xiong di" or brothers in Chinese is a very common way to call your friends in China. Nothing really particular here don't pick on it too hard.

Also the story revolves around the perspective of the soldiers themselves and is told more or less through a "first person" view. Therefore it would be rather token-gesture and awkward to suddenly shift the attention to the enemies. Clearly the movie is trying to depict the Communist side, and if they are hard-handed enough to kill prisoners it wouldn't really make sense to have them establish close connections with the KMT soldiers.

I don't think the uniforms look alike at all. Most of the communist soldiers were dressed in the typical cotton coat that's commonly seen in Chinese films, and the KMT soldiers were dressed in a mixture of German/American influenced uniforms as they should be. Much of KMT weaponry were supplied by the US and Nazi Germany earlier, and the Communists captured them from the KMT, so it's no surprise to see familiar weapons as you do in Band of Brothers.

The movie is quite authentic in feel to me and I'm glad it offered a more "balanced" and brutal view than the old Chinese war epics. Whether you call that a "westernization" or a "modernization" is up to you.

ofone said:

I don't think this is a great film. In some aspects,it's rather bad. Lots of scenes is not real!you know, the PLA never used steel helmet in the civil war.There are too many mistakes in this film.

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you must have not seen all the film ,the steel helmets were they captured from their enemy.because they will fight a hard battle.so the head of the delegation approved they use the helmets.

you must have not seen all the film ,the steel helmets were they captured from their enemy.because they will fight a hard battle.so the head of the delegation approved they use the helmets.

I finally saw this movie last month and thought it was more "Chinese" than "Western". Had the movie been a Hollywood production, the main character would've kept the girl for himself and not passed her to a younger man.
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The battle scenes were very brutal, I think some of the gore was a bit over the top. It reminded me of certain episodes of Ginga Eiyu Densetsu (Legend of Galactic Heroes) where the ships sustained a hit, and young crew members blown in half trying to scoop up his guts while crying for his mother before dying.

As for the weapons used, the KMT de-mobilized 1.5 million troops, and the CCP de-mobilized 1 million at conclusion of WW2. All that surplus military hardware had to go somewhere. I suspect the troops on both sides during the Civil War was better equipped than the average Chinese solider during WW2.