Any plans for PLANAF to develope stealth-bombers

Totoro

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What does a stealth bomber look like under infra-red light through a camera's eye view? With object identification and high optical-zooming technology I think a computer could try to guess what it is looking at?

That is exactly what IIR seekers do, like one on python 5 AAM or NSM antiship missile. As for what does a stealth bomber look like... well, it would depend on the sensitivy of the sensor, on the IR signature of the target and the distance between the two. Sadly, there is no way you can get a precise answer to that question here or anywhere outside of the users of the said bomber. IR signature would also depend on the angle we're looking at the bomber, and the power of its engines at that moment. Also, temperature of the surrounding air and ground can come into play.

all in all, and this is just a guesstimate, i would doubt a bomber like b2 could be detected head on at over 20-30 or so km. It being nighttime bomber would also make it harder to positively indentify it in the nighttime from said distance. It would just be a blip from that distance, you'd have to get even closer to see the actual shape that heat is making.

Of course, in the daytime, it'd be somewhat eeasier. I do believe today's tech allows for very fast scanning of the skies, and zooming the camera on sevaral potential IR blips on the horizon in reasonably short period of the time. Having a database of all the possible targets, from all the possible angles and distances would help you identify the blip and its approximate distance from you.

So... yes, it's possible to deal with b2 like that. But you'd have to have a fair number of planes in the air, covering the area. And b2 would have to be alone. Against f22, even in the daytime, i just don't know how that'd work. At best, you could sacrifice enough planes so enemy runs out of missiles and has to abort the mission early. But that's not a tactic to be used repeatedly.
 

SinoForce

New Member
Well, excuse me for joining this off topic discussion but several things need to be said. No one but serbs knows for sure how thhat f117 was downed.
My guess is that the morons who planned the mission used the same routes over and over again. So the Serbs just keep moving to better and better firing positions. They probably didn't even know it was a Stealth fighter they just bagged.
 

lilzz

Banned Idiot
Anyone read some articles regards to claims that the chinese are using LASER RADAR technology instead of conventional radar to detect stealth planes.

how does a laser radar compare to a conventional radar?

can someone translate what the english term for 引力波?? and 光微子??

光微子雷达。它是我国的最高机密。光微子是目前所有粒子中穿透性最强的,它可以很容易的穿透各种介质,我过利用它的原理,发明了探测列阵,它可以探测到远在千里之外的海里目标。


引力波无源雷达。大家知道任何的有质量的物体都会向外辐射引力波,我国就是利用这个原理发明了它。有了它,任何隐形武器都得下岗。
 
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SteelBird

Colonel
can someone translate what the english term for 引力波?? and 光微子??

Well, it's hard to translate the nomenclature words. Sometime in Chinese they use one word and another word for the same thing in English. But I'd try it this way: 引力 means "gravitation" and 波 means "wave", so 引力波 means "gravitation wave" (?). Then, 光 means "light"; and 微子 means "corpuscule" or maybe we can say that it means "atom". So, 光微子 means "light corpuscule" or "light atom".

Well, I just try my best to translate, this doesn't mean it's 100% correct.
 

LIGO

New Member
光微子雷达。它是我国的最高机密。光微子是目前所有粒子中穿透性最强的,它可以很容易的穿透各种介质,我过利用它的原理,发明了探测列阵,它可以探测到远在千里之外的海里目标。


引力波无源雷达。大家知道任何的有质量的物体都会向外辐射引力波,我国就是利用这个原理发明了它。有了它,任何隐形武器都得下岗。

In my opinion these are just internet jokes…

Sure the existence of gravitational waves (引力波) is predicted by Einstein’s general relativity, but they are so hard to detect that I don’t think there has been even one unambiguous direct detection. (The LIGO experiment (
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) and its subsequent upgrades are working on it though, and that involves some of the world's best physicists and the state of the art of laser interferometry.) I certainly don’t think such detection can come from an object as tiny as an aircraft…

And I don’t know what “光微子” means.

By the way I am not a member of the LIGO collaboration.
 

Scratch

Captain
Anyone read some articles regards to claims that the chinese are using LASER RADAR technology instead of conventional radar to detect stealth planes.

how does a laser radar compare to a conventional radar?

Can't say really much about it. The correct term would be LIDAR (= LIght Detection And Ranging). The principles are very similar to radar. You transmit a laser beam wich is reflected by a possible object. From the time the light trevels you can meassure the distance to that object. Using the doppler-effect to meassure relativ speed works as well. Since the wavelength of those lasers is much shorter (approx.: 1000nm - 800nm), resolution is much higher. And with sufficient power input you can look through very thin objects like with milimeter wave radar.
However, I think you need a rather high power output for satisfying results.
I can't really say to what extent "stealth" planes can absorb those wavelength. Would be interesting to know more precisely.
 
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