Any plans for PLANAF to develope stealth-bombers
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what stealth bomber do the Russians have? Definitely not easy to do. At this point, I think China would be interested in Tu-160, but nothing else. I'm sure Americans have some counter measure, but it's still next to impossible to defend against B-2.
few month back there,s news in media that china got the secrets of b-2 and also chines defence industry declare that china in prosses of a stealth bomber
Oh really? Humm.
Do you have a link to back up that statement? How about a picture? Seems for every weapon the US has someone post that the PLA knows the "secrect" or is developing a counter to it or has a clone of said weapon..
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Oh really? Humm.
B-2 Technology Not So Stealth
WORLDWATCH: WORLD February 2007
Classified b-2 Stealth bomber technology has been leaked to China, say U.S. officials. A Hawaii-based spy allegedly obtained critical technology that will allow Beijing to copy and counter one of America’s most advanced weapons systems. Investigation reveals that U.S. Stealth technology may have been leaking since 1999.
In a Nov. 15, 2006, grand jury indictment, Indian-born engineer Noshir Gowadia was charged with 18 counts of spying. Besides providing China with classified technology relating to the b-2’s engine exhaust system, he was also charged with several other counts of selling top-secret information.
Justice Department officials claim that Gowadia was paid approximately $2 million for the b-2 secrets. If true, China got a true bargain—paying pennies on the dollar for technology that took many years and likely cost hundreds of millions or more to develop.
U.S. experts familiar with the case say “the compromise of the b-2 technology is extremely damaging because it will give China key secrets on the bomber” (Washington Times, Nov. 23, 2006).
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I first read about this on Pakdef.
This may not necessarily translate into a new bomber program for China. Tracking B-2 bombers could be an important part of the secrets.
The Trumpet and the Washington Times are two alarmist neo-con publications that have little creditablity as far as I'm concerned. Both publications love to exxagerate and blow things out of poportions.
The Trumpet is a right wing publication that is anti-military. They believe in total world dis-armenment
No offense to anyone but in my opinion it would take the PRC years to reverse engineer a B-2 bomber if indeed any sort of technology has been comprimised.
In fairness to all I will search search out this subject.
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I found one article from a more credable news source ABC news. However who knows what secrects have been sold away?
The Trumpet is a right wing publication that is anti-military. They believe in total world dis-armenment
No offense to anyone but in my opinion it would take the PRC years to reverse engineer a B-2 bomber if indeed any sort of technology has been comprimised.
In fairness to all I will search search out this subject.
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I found one article from a more credable news source ABC news. However who knows what secrects have been sold away?
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Well from some of articles I read relate to stealth techonology, there's some weakness to it. For example, the plane will not be able absorb all the radar wave, but it will direct to different direction instead bouncing back to the source. Now if you have bi-static radar system or have multiple receivers located in different areas, they will pick up some of the redirected radar wave. (some articles mentioned the use of of the numeorus, and wide spread cell-phone sites).
additionally, while the plane is stealth from the frontal and sidal but not much from the topview. I wonder if the use satellites are capable of detecting stealth planes.
btw, US lost one the stealth plane in yugosalvia shot down by its anti-air missle based on infrared tech which picked up the planes thermal exhaust.
I also wonder whether the aegis system can handle low flying stealth anti-ship missles.
For missles, I think being stealth is more deadly than being fast( the supersonic missiles)
I mean, if systems have hard time to detect stealth planes, then imagine the missiles are much smaller and combine /w stealth tech, then they almost undefensable.
regarding to the articles about the indian spy about B-2 tech. I think the most important ingredient is the stealth radar absorbing materials and improving the exhaust system. I think those are two keys. If those two aspect are leaked, the PRC will develope their
stealth missiles easily. Develope a stealth plane from the leaked tech are hard but notmuch for stealth missiles.
they tend to concentrate cheap and fast but lethal soultions, their doctrine of asymmetrical warfare. Stealth missiles could be one of them.
additionally, while the plane is stealth from the frontal and sidal but not much from the topview. I wonder if the use satellites are capable of detecting stealth planes.
btw, US lost one the stealth plane in yugosalvia shot down by its anti-air missle based on infrared tech which picked up the planes thermal exhaust.
I also wonder whether the aegis system can handle low flying stealth anti-ship missles.
For missles, I think being stealth is more deadly than being fast( the supersonic missiles)
I mean, if systems have hard time to detect stealth planes, then imagine the missiles are much smaller and combine /w stealth tech, then they almost undefensable.
regarding to the articles about the indian spy about B-2 tech. I think the most important ingredient is the stealth radar absorbing materials and improving the exhaust system. I think those are two keys. If those two aspect are leaked, the PRC will develope their
stealth missiles easily. Develope a stealth plane from the leaked tech are hard but notmuch for stealth missiles.
they tend to concentrate cheap and fast but lethal soultions, their doctrine of asymmetrical warfare. Stealth missiles could be one of them.
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Well, as every technology, stealth has it's weak points, too.
The F-117 back then was picked up by an old, long wave radar site, though I don't know about the missile that actually knocked it out.
China seems to have aquired parts of that technology by different means.
They probably have plans for future stealth planes. But since they only recently acknowledged the J-10 I don't think will will hear of one for many years at least officially.
The F-117 back then was picked up by an old, long wave radar site, though I don't know about the missile that actually knocked it out.
China seems to have aquired parts of that technology by different means.
They probably have plans for future stealth planes. But since they only recently acknowledged the J-10 I don't think will will hear of one for many years at least officially.
read this article of indain news paper
Indo-American involved in covert deals with foreign nations
PTI
Thursday, November 23, 2006 20:19 IST
WASHINGTON: An India-born engineer in Hawaii, charged with using secret military information to help China build a stealth cruise missile, is allegedly involved in deals involving several foreign countries.
Sixty two-year-old Noshir G Gowadia, originally charged with selling information involving the B-2 stealth bomber to three unnamed countries, is accused of assisting China with designing and testing an exhaust system nozzle that protects a cruise missile from detection.
His trial is set to being in July next year but the charges are expected to be more detailed than just selling secret stealth technology to China that would have facilitated the communist state to replicate or counter a key weapon in the U.S. military arsenal.
The naturalised American citizen from India is involved in deals including passing stealth technology for use in the TH-98 Eurocopter and for foreign commercial aircraft, according to a report in The Washington Times.
The court papers indicated that Gowadia sent e-mails to Israel, Germany and Switzerland in 2002 and 2004 that contained data labelled "secret" and "top secret" that was related to US stealth technology intended for use in the TH-98 Eurocopter and for foreign commerical aircraft, it said.
It is said a computer file found in Gowadia's Maui, Hawaii, home was a file containing the radar cross-sections of U.S. B-1 and F-15 jets and the Air Force's air-launched cruise missile, information that would be useful to countering systems by anti-aircraft missiles or other air defence weapons.
Gowadia is formally charged with making $110,000 in six visits to China between 2002 and 2005 but investigators believe he was paid $2 million, with some of the money remaining in foreign
bank accounts, the paper said.
Under the charges, Gowadia faces the death penalty as also the possibility of life in prison and a fine of $250,000.
The busting of the Hawaii based spy ring involving Gowadia is attracting national attention as details and court indictments are beginning to surface.
At first it was said that Gowadia may have passed on details of a classified technology related to the Stealth Bomber B-2's engine exhaust system and its ability to evade radar detection.
Subsequently it is being reported that Gowadia may have provided technical assistance to Chinese weapons designers in developing a cruise missile with an engine exhaust system that is hard to detect by radar and that he may have helped China modify a cruise missile so that it can intercept US air-to-air missiles and in weapons designers improve testing and measurement facilities.
Gowadia worked 18 years for Northrop Corp where he was an engineer and designed the B-2 stealth bomber's propulsion system and in Novemeber last year was charged with three counts of sharing secret military information.
The indictment said that Gowadia, who lives on an estate on the island in Maui, conspired with two men – Tommy Wong and Henri Nyo, to sell the technology.
Wong was identified in court papers as an official of the Chinese Foreign Experts Bureau who met the other men during meetings in Chengdu, China.
If what you suggest can detect a stealth aircraft, then stealth has done its job. It takes away significant military resources to shoot down a single plane. Point is the Yugoslavia war. The Serbs were so preoccupied in shooting down the F-117 that for the entire 72 day air campaign, they only shot down 1 other aircraft, an F-16. For comparison, Iraq shot down about 2 dozen aircraft.
Secondly, the missile that shot down the F-117 was remote detonated on the probable location. It never got a target lock (radar or IR). NATO planners used the same route at the same time.
War is like economics. You only have limited resources, you can't allocate them all to a single threat and ignore the others.