Amnesty - China arms sales 'fuel conflicts'

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Kampfwagen said:
The Illegal Arms market is getting crazy now days.

All the more reason for China to do something about legal sales to dodgy regimes then. If it continues to spread stuff around, who's not to say that it won't be on the receiving end of some grief due to the illegal market sucking up the kind of stuff it sells in the first place?
 

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FuManChu said:
All the more reason for China to do something about legal sales to dodgy regimes then. If it continues to spread stuff around, who's not to say that it won't be on the receiving end of some grief due to the illegal market sucking up the kind of stuff it sells in the first place?

How can you criticize China and those "dodgy regimes" when these people were exploited under colonialism by the European powers and had their pride and traditional way of life taken from them?
 
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Roger604 said:
How can you criticize China and those "dodgy regimes" when these people were exploited under colonialism by the European powers and had their pride and traditional way of life taken from them?

Well first of all I (nor my ancestors) didn't do any colonising in those places, so I can criticise as I wish.

Second your point is absolutely irrelevant as to why I would criticise them today.

Third you're off-topic, so I'm not going to play your little game. :eek:ff

EDIT: isthvan, I feel the same way - thanks for saying it, when I edited my comments out.
 
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Roger604 said:
How can you criticize China and those "dodgy regimes" when these people were exploited under colonialism by the European powers and had their pride and traditional way of life taken from them?

You must be kidding me? Yes blame does bloody Europeans for every fucked-up thing in World today…
Can you possibly tell me that Europe is guilty for every African war, for every African man, woman or childe that was killed or starving in last 50 years? That does not have any thing whit corrupt government, tribal or religious hatred, population expansion and non existent food production mixed whit f….. up economy?

Common you can’t blame Europe forever for every shit that happens in the World today. Yes Europe has done horrible things in the past but you can joust stop whit noble savage crap and look at world from more realistic point of view…

So please sell them all guns you can so they can kill they one citizens and then blame Europe.

Ps. I know that this is O.T. so mods sorry but I am pretty much sick of hearing about neo colonialism and bad west…
 

Kampfwagen

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It is true that colonialisim and the cold war did harm alot of nations by playing favorites, but an AK-47 can not kill someone of it's own will, as it has none. It's centuries of tribal rivalry that causes one African to shoot another, as so blatantly illustrated by Idi Amin's Uganda and Rawanda.

But please, let us try and steer this thing back towards the topic. I just did not want to be accused of fermenting this sort of 'Anti-West Colonialisim' that some seem to beleve some of us have.
 

Gollevainen

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Lets all keep our temperament down and focus on the issue. Next "opener" will receive a wanrning!
 

akinkhoo

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selling weapons to questionable countries is indeed a problem.
but it is really part of china's much larger foreign relations policies...

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china's policy has always been to not judge another country's internal affairs... this means they officially declares that they will be "closing an eye". this is the real conflicting point between sino-us foreign issues.

the US like other western power use their unwillingness to sell to "rogue state" to pressure those countries into either accepting western style governing or that they will not get military, economy, infrastructure or in short any kind of help. (at least from the government, NPO is free to help).

the above system fails when china is willing to assist...
why china does so and go against the west are for 2 reasons:
  1. it does not want western style government to dominate the rest of the world as it will lead to the same kind of pressure to be applied on china.
  2. it wants to improve international standing with the rest of the world as a credible and dependable supplier that does not use it's economic power politically.

and since those nation were able to gain assistance via china, they would be be pressured by western power, and therefore, western power feel that china is being uncooperative in promoting western ideas...

china cannot adopt democracy, the population distribution means that the one popular with farmers will win, and we will likely see a MORE communistic government in power... so unless the west adopt a more understanding view that "democracy is not a 1 fit all solution", china will continue to need to use the "close 1 eye" policy to maintain status quo.

it should be noted that china does not provide ONLY military sales. they also help build factories, railroad and infrastructure to help these countries grow. it also help china export some of it's labour force, lower china's unempolyment rate and improve chinese exposure to development project.

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do i even make sense? i am just talking crap here... :rofl:
 
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akinkhoo said:
do i even make sense? i am just talking crap here...

You seem to be saying that China is exporting arms to dodgy regimes, to keep those undemocratic and repressive governments in power to halt the advance of democracy, lest the CCP be pressured to give up its monopoly on power as well.

Right or wrong?
 

Roger604

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You seem to be saying that China is exporting arms to dodgy regimes, to keep those undemocratic and repressive governments in power to halt the advance of democracy, lest the CCP be pressured to give up its monopoly on power as well.

Right or wrong?

Only if "democracy" means a system that blatantly privileges countries with white people, keeps non-white countries poor by controlling their political and economic affairs, and finally seeks to smack down any potential non-white nation from being a superpower.

Yeah, non-whites really want your "democracy."
 
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Roger, I would like to refer you to Golle's last red message. Please get back on topic or go take your prejudices elsewhere. :eek:ff

If its causing that much trouble then I think we close the thread. You can ask the Senior Mods to re-open if they think its worth it

Sampan
 
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