American Economics Thread

chgough34

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The CPI doesn't reflect real inflation as the way the calculate the CPI has been changed many times over the years the most recent is in 2023. Each time they do that they are trying to make the inflation numbers look lower than it actually is. The problem with American economic data is not how its collected but rather how it is interpreted.
The composition basket of retail sales and CPI is broadly the same over the time period and CPI adjustments are broadly neutral towards CPI levels
The kind of services that the people are suppose to be consuming after COVID are mostly dominated by small businesses. And yet today the Small Business Optimism Index is even lower than during the pandemic when they were forced to shutdown.

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If you seriously think small businesses today are doing worse than during the pandemic, lol, no.
 

manqiangrexue

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So we agree on everything here
I agree that your reading comprehension is insufficient to intelligently continue the conversation.
- Asian and Chinese are not coextensive in a U.S. context
In that the Chinese scores are likely above the generalized Asian scores (mimicking the British data) and the Asians scores are shown to be the highest scores in the US.
and Chinese-Americans individuals are broadly a positively selected high-performance cohort in the U.S. (effectively conceding this with the explanation of lower bach. rates as a function of development instead of contesting its factual basis).
Not at all. They are a mixed bag, some of the well-educated, but at least equally of those confined to menial labor with no effective education and many without even the legal means to be in the US.
Prior historical development isn’t relevant because that 50% of individuals holding bachelors degrees applies to individuals born in China resident in the United States
And furthermore, educational level of the parents, for immigrant cases, is not even positively correlated with academic performance in the US so your entire point is moot.
I’m skeptical that Chinese-American cohorts are uniquely high-performing in the U.S. compared to other Asian-American cohorts
Because you cannot read and extrapolate data. Chinese outperform all others internationally. All successful Olympiad math teams are mainly Chinese in composition, and in the UK, there is actual data to show that Chinese perform above all other Asian ethnic groups. Whatever criteria they have for immigration selection would have already been cancelled out assuming they apply to all Asian immigrants. Your "skepicism" is called selective blindness.
(there are the ACS sections compared to the academic performance by nativity and math Olympiad - with their incredibly small sample sizes) but since that’s not measured outright, it’s all probabilistic guessing since Asian Indian, Chinese, Filipino, etc cohorts are all lumped into a broader “Asian” cohort. Your evidence of “socioeconomic status” not being correlated with educational performance was using parental nativity/place of parental birth as a placeholder for socioeconomic status which is a tenuous assumption as applied to Asian cohorts - foreign-born Asians have a very bimodal income distribution - (it’s much stronger for Hispanic cohorts, however), but regardless, socioeconomic status is strongly correlated with educational performance (
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You have once again shown your incompetence at data selection. The study I showed said that on average second generation immigrants perform better than first or third generation. Your study extends to the entire population of the US. The mechanics are completely different as your local population bears no resemblence to Chinese people or our culture. Your poor are happy to use drugs and remain impoverished while poor Chinese fight tooth and nail through education to advance themselves.
 

phenelzine

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By Christopher Condon
April 16, 2024 at 1:00 PM UTC

The International Monetary Fund leveled an unusually direct criticism at US policymakers Tuesday, saying the country’s recent standout performance among advanced economies was in part driven by an unsustainable fiscal policy.
“The exceptional recent performance of the United States is certainly impressive and a major driver of global growth,” the IMF said in its annual World Economic Outlook. “But it reflects strong demand factors as well, including a fiscal stance that is out of line with long-term fiscal sustainability.”
Washington’s overspending, the report said, risks reigniting inflation and undermining long-term fiscal and financial stability around the world by ratcheting up global funding costs.
“Something will have to give,” the IMF warned.
US deficit spending has been driven in recent years by Covid-related stimulus, aggressive investments in infrastructure and clean energy, and exploding interest costs. Debt held by the public is expected to reach $45.7 trillion, or 114% of GDP by 2033, up from 97% at the end of 2023, according to the
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Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen has so far sought to downplay the growing worries. Debt sustainability, she has said repeatedly, is best measured by the cost to service debt as a percentage of GDP, adjusted for inflation.
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expenses will remain below 2% of GDP for the coming decade, according to White House projections.
Yet that forecast is vulnerable, Yellen has conceded, should interest rates remain elevated.
 

Heliox

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I feel like this thread is just too much mud slinging and shitting on the US. It just doesn't seem informative or constructive.

If I wanted a forum/discussion that doesn't dump on the US, I'm literally spoilt for choices. In fact, it's all I can do to avoid any form of media that doesn't push the US/India good, China bad narrative in my face 24/7/365

So we have one forum, SND, where the US gets dumped on harshly (I don't disagree on this point).
In the face of this you cry foul? Hey, welcome to the world of the pro-Sino (or even non-aligned) peeps who have to face the anti-China shitshow that is the english language infospace on a daily basis from all directions.

SND is where I can go to have that narrative reversed and give me pointers as to where to look to make my own informed opinion. This final opinion may or may not be contrary to the BS that gets shoveled at me daily but at least I'm getting different flavours of shit to choose from and isn't that what the west supposedly champions - freedom of choices?

If you seriously can't take the heat, then please do get out of the kitchen ... or go back to Reddit.
 

CMP

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If I wanted a forum/discussion that doesn't dump on the US, I'm literally spoilt for choices. In fact, it's all I can do to avoid any form of media that doesn't push the US/India good, China bad narrative in my face 24/7/365

So we have one forum, SND, where the US gets dumped on harshly (I don't disagree on this point).
In the face of this you cry foul? Hey, welcome to the world of the pro-Sino (or even non-aligned) peeps who have to face the anti-China shitshow that is the english language infospace on a daily basis from all directions.

SND is where I can go to have that narrative reversed and give me pointers as to where to look to make my own informed opinion. This final opinion may or may not be contrary to the BS that gets shoveled at me daily but at least I'm getting different flavours of shit to choose from and isn't that what the west supposedly champions - freedom of choices?

If you seriously can't take the heat, then please do get out of the kitchen ... or go back to Reddit.

People who are on the same page as the mainstream propaganda are not coincidentally also glass hearted hypocrites. Crying foul at any sign that their privilege is being inverted. I say to hell with all those people.
 

Franklin

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The composition basket of retail sales and CPI is broadly the same over the time period and CPI adjustments are broadly neutral towards CPI levels

If you seriously think small businesses today are doing worse than during the pandemic, lol, no.
The believe that all these adjustments made in the CPI calculation over the years doesn't impact the final results is naive. Just look at shadow stats.

And the issue is not that small businesses are worst off today than during the pandemic but rather their outlook towards the future is worst now. During the pandemic their was government aid and they can look forward to the end of the pandemic. Today things are so bad that they can only look forward to closing down their business in the future.
 

coolgod

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I feel like this thread is just too much mud slinging and shitting on the US. It just doesn't seem informative or constructive.
Why do comments about US economics have to be constructive in this thread? You don't serious think Yellen and her underlinings browse SDF for econ advise do you?

Is this thread non-informative to you cause it doesn't fit with your perception of reality? Regardless actual economics is about sentiments, not actual data, that's why the US has been shouting China is collapsing for over 30 years. It's great that SDF and other places like zerohedge is point out who is actually collapsing.
 
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