American Economics Thread

Michaelsinodef

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Coming from someone who took the test, got 97th percentile and was accepted to medical school:
MCAT Reddit has more useful resources than all the MCAT prep books combined. MCAT question formats are eerily similar to those of the new SAT. There's very little critical thinking involved, the most basic math and physics questions (which usually can be covered by memorization), and a decently difficult reading comprehension plus bio facts section. "Medical aptitude" is, in fact, mostly memorization. This is due to the fact that U.S. physicians are more like technicians that need to perform treatment the same way 100% of the time (else they'll get sued).
As a result, innovation and critical thinking is discouraged in the field. This is also why robots are actually really good at replacing certain doctor types. The American Medical Association, essentially a lobby group / cartel to protect clinician interests, always tries to constrain medical technology and restrict the number of physicians available to keep M.D. salaries sky-high. It's failed because other countries have been automating and the U.S. has realized it's fallen behind. Since then, they've tried things like creating mid-levels (nurses and physician assistants that can perform mid-level medical duties) to meet rising demand and partnering with universities to control the pace and direction of medical innovation.
The lead the U.S. has in clinical and medical sciences is mostly sustained by non-clinicians like biochemistry and computer science researchers who collaborate with clinicians to conduct their research. Only physician interest-friendly research will be accepted by the big medical journals.
Ah damn I forgot where I saw that one poster who quite recently (today or yesterday) linked a tweet in regards to what fields China was leading and what the US was leading in terms of research (the both totalled leading in 80%+ of all fields or something like that).

But I think what you wrote there might even put some more perspective on that tweet but not fully sure (can't fully remember all the names of the various fields China and US led in, although 100% sure physics was China leading and like 95% sure China was also leading in chemistry as well? Think they also led in something bio? but not sure)
 

manqiangrexue

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Ohhhh shit, this happened a year ago! No more SATs or standardized testing of any sort for UC schools!
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Now if you thought that getting into UC Berkeley means you got away from your high school bully who couldn't complete a color-coded peg&hole shape puzzle, you thought wrong, Eugene! Jabarius is gonna be sitting right next to you from day one in coding class! And he's already informed the professor that he suffers from anxiety attacks and identifies as a victim of PTSD so he needs you by his side in a non-proctored room as his emotional support animal for all his tests. People and animals are equal too, right? So you're an animal now; get over it! And if you protest, you get sent to the dean's office, which is completely covered in BLM, Coexist, rainbow flags, etc... for racism and anti-wokeness! Woot Cali! LOLOLOL Next up, the new college entrance exam: 800 points for Ebonics, 800 for Gender Studies, and 800 for Racial Equality!

I'd find this sooooooooo not funny if it was my own country ROFL
 
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KYli

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It doesn't matter. Whatever they implemented would only bring down the whole system. That the prviliged California University System would be no more. A few decades ago, CUNY which back then was considered poor-man's Harvard started to implement Open Admission. In the end, it completely destroyed CUNY. Back then, City College of New York has produced 8 Nobel prize winners but now it is nothing.

The issue for these woke liberals is that colleges are not for everyone. A merit-based system would ensure the elimination of unqualified candidates. For most Asian countries, this process has started even earlier during High Schools when many were forced to go to Vocational schools.
 

manqiangrexue

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It doesn't matter. Whatever they implemented would only bring down the whole system. That the prviliged California University System would be no more. A few decades ago, CUNY which back then was considered poor-man's Harvard started to implement Open Admission. In the end, it completely destroyed CUNY. Back then, City College of New York has produced 8 Nobel prize winners but now it is nothing.

The issue for these woke liberals is that colleges are not for everyone. A merit-based system would ensure the elimination of unqualified candidates. For most Asian countries, this process has started even earlier during High Schools when many were forced to go to Vocational schools.
CUNY went from producing Nobel Laureates to being a dangerous campus to walk through at night for some of them, totally serious. When I was in high school, my dad wanted me to get a 1500 on the SATs so he lied to me and said if I couldn't do it, I'd end up in a CUNY and be in a stab fight every day. I didn't really know how bad it was back then other than to avoid the areas at night (and day if I didn't need to pass by there) so I thought he was serious. Now I know he was so far out of line talking about 1500 that if I even came close to a 1500 and applied to a CUNY, I'd be so overqualified I could have matriculated, graduated, and be offered a position as a professor all on the same day LOL
 

FairAndUnbiased

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It doesn't matter. Whatever they implemented would only bring down the whole system. That the prviliged California University System would be no more. A few decades ago, CUNY which back then was considered poor-man's Harvard started to implement Open Admission. In the end, it completely destroyed CUNY. Back then, City College of New York has produced 8 Nobel prize winners but now it is nothing.

The issue for these woke liberals is that colleges are not for everyone. A merit-based system would ensure the elimination of unqualified candidates. For most Asian countries, this process has started even earlier during High Schools when many were forced to go to Vocational schools.
Their problem is that they are, either by design or by accident, not very careful thinkers.

They see a problem: that the poor are not making enough money, non college educated workers are poorer than college educated workers, and less non Asian minorities go to college.

Instead of solving the root cause - the poor are not making enough money - they instead go this roundabout way of increasing college admissions for non Asian minorities regardless of merit or desire.

Solving the root problem would require acknowledging a problem with cap.itali.sm which is impossible for them. They must either sacrifice meritocracy or cptlsm and we know which one they chose.

This is, of course, by design. Neolib ideology is all about ambiguity of everything, including now of gender apparently.

Just remember that blue collar workers still lived with dignity in Warsaw Pact, they didn't make the janitors into rocket scientists.
 

caudaceus

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CUNY went from producing Nobel Laureates to being a dangerous campus to walk through at night for some of them, totally serious. When I was in high school, my dad wanted me to get a 1500 on the SATs so he lied to me and said if I couldn't do it, I'd end up in a CUNY and be in a stab fight every day. I didn't really know how bad it was back then other than to avoid the areas at night (and day if I didn't need to pass by there) so I thought he was serious. Now I know he was so far out of line talking about 1500 that if I even came close to a 1500 and applied to a CUNY, I'd be so overqualified I could have matriculated, graduated, and be offered a position as a professor all on the same day LOL
The great state of New York with all of the wealth doesn't have prestigious State University system comparable to UVA, UNC, GaTech, UCs, UMD etc should be classified as crime.
 

Biscuits

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Coming from someone who took the test, got 97th percentile and was accepted to medical school:
MCAT Reddit has more useful resources than all the MCAT prep books combined. MCAT question formats are eerily similar to those of the new SAT. There's very little critical thinking involved, the most basic math and physics questions (which usually can be covered by memorization), and a decently difficult reading comprehension plus bio facts section. "Medical aptitude" is, in fact, mostly memorization. This is due to the fact that U.S. physicians are more like technicians that need to perform treatment the same way 100% of the time (else they'll get sued).
As a result, innovation and critical thinking is discouraged in the field. This is also why robots are actually really good at replacing certain doctor types. The American Medical Association, essentially a lobby group / cartel to protect clinician interests, always tries to constrain medical technology and restrict the number of physicians available to keep M.D. salaries sky-high. It's failed because other countries have been automating and the U.S. has realized it's fallen behind. Since then, they've tried things like creating mid-levels (nurses and physician assistants that can perform mid-level medical duties) to meet rising demand and partnering with universities to control the pace and direction of medical innovation.
The lead the U.S. has in clinical and medical sciences is mostly sustained by non-clinicians like biochemistry and computer science researchers who collaborate with clinicians to conduct their research. Only physician interest-friendly research will be accepted by the big medical journals.
In one way it is not good that lobbying may reduce the pace of medical tech implementation, but on the other hand, isn't it highly important to have a workers' Union in a country such as USA where there are no major labor protections and no rule of law?

If medical associations don't keep the salaries livable through using the system (even if it requires bribes through lobbying), wouldn't the other cartels immediately push down physician salaries until its barely survivable to make their businesses more profitable?

I feel like that is what happened with jobs like teaching and programming.

It is not a good thing to have robots replace your job unless you live in a place where they guaranteed the rights of the worker to be equal after robots were introduced.
 

Biscuits

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Their problem is that they are, either by design or by accident, not very careful thinkers.

They see a problem: that the poor are not making enough money, non college educated workers are poorer than college educated workers, and less non Asian minorities go to college.

Instead of solving the root cause - the poor are not making enough money - they instead go this roundabout way of increasing college admissions for non Asian minorities regardless of merit or desire.

Solving the root problem would require acknowledging a problem with cap.itali.sm which is impossible for them. They must either sacrifice meritocracy or cptlsm and we know which one they chose.

This is, of course, by design. Neolib ideology is all about ambiguity of everything, including now of gender apparently.

Just remember that blue collar workers still lived with dignity in Warsaw Pact, they didn't make the janitors into rocket scientists.
The main reason they can't go to the root cause is because it touches on the big cornerstone of security. That area is the exclusive domain of what some would call the "deep state" but in reality is just the FBI along with police cartels and the prison/law/policing oligarchs.

Poverty alone doesn't cause kids to fail development. IIRC some studies in the past pointed out that adjusted for inflation, the wages in mainland China for blue collar workers were equally low as those for American ones. Yet the former don't struggle as a group to create good results.

What causes kids to suffer is when poverty leads to crime, or neighborhoods are filled with violence. When kids grow up among drug dealers, see and hear guns constantly fired in anger in their environment, when they have to deal with addicts in their own household, they don't have time for trivial pursuits like developing their resume in preparation for university. They have to focus everything on survival.

These kids are mostly not stupid by birth. It takes a tremendous amount of both emotional and actual intelligence to navigate such dangerous situations, not to mention maturity.

But it will all be applied into the wrong areas that won't help give them good scores nor land them in comfortable jobs.

Actually if you have read some of the stories about Chinese minorities in for example Britain, like those rioters where many were university students and they don't know how to cook, don't know how to get groceries for themselves and can't hold down the most basic jobs, you see that there are just as many retards in China as there are in America. It's just how you channel them into not falling off a steep cliff and so they can still perform useful functions.

Any country that has functioning nutritional status and doesn't have endemic levels of drug abuse is gonna have roughly equal populations in terms of intelligence. As long as the children aren't stunted by above named factors, all colors of humans have the exact same development potential.
 

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31% of Asian students are also failing Math standards…
Hmm, I guess the US perspective really does make people of all walks of life a bit dumber huh, also probably makes them fatter as well. Still I honestly wonder, with the current dumbing down, is Harvard or Ivy League really worth striving for in the long run given the dismal job prospects in the USA right now
 
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pevade

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isn't it highly important to have a workers' Union in a country such as USA where there are no major labor protections and no rule of law?
Worker: Joins a union
Company: You're fired!
Its quite simple. Even if there are worker protections to prevent them from being fired, companies will find a way. Monthly "evaluations" are part of that strategy. Its quite simple, no matter how hard you work, the moment an excellent employee joins a union, they magically start getting negative evaluations and they are fired based on those evaluations.
 
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