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Jiang ZeminFanboy

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This is a massive destruction of wealth actually.

Handing out $6T should theoretically increase GDP by $6T minimum. The fact that it didn't, and in fact is much smaller, indicates that value was destroyed.
You can say the same about last year's debt increase by China. China's debt to GDP ratio last year shot up by 30 percentage points. But GDP increased by 2%.

Handing out $6T should theoretically increase GDP by $6T minimum.
That's why this analogy is wrong. I am against printing like mad, by last year China and this year the USA. What it makes it mainly increase assets value, artificial growth which makes rich richer and poor poorer.
 

LesAdieux

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You can say the same about last year's debt increase by China. China's debt to GDP ratio last year shot up by 30 percentage points. But GDP increased by 2%.

That's why this analogy is wrong. I am against printing like mad, by last year China and this year the USA. What it makes it mainly increase assets value, artificial growth which makes rich richer and poor poorer.

the US didn't spend six trillions. the total budget is 4.5, it has spent 3.0 so far. the US debt went up from 253.3% of GDP in 2019 to 296.1% in the end of 2020.

China's debt went up from 262.9% to 289.5% during the time.
 

weig2000

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You can say the same about last year's debt increase by China. China's debt to GDP ratio last year shot up by 30 percentage points. But GDP increased by 2%.


That's why this analogy is wrong. I am against printing like mad, by last year China and this year the USA. What it makes it mainly increase assets value, artificial growth which makes rich richer and poor poorer.

There is also a critical difference: How do you spend the money? Did you invest the money or do you spend them as transfer payment?
 

DarkStar

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Professor Jin’s warning on Friday at the “Observer” (
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) website that US inflation might lead to the bankruptcy of the US government will be read carefully in Washington – especially because Jin claims that China can help America out of its economic problems.

“The United States is in a state of mental transition,” the Chinese academic averred, citing the late Elizabeth Kübler-Ross’s five stages of grieving: denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance. America was in denial three years ago, and shifted to anger, but “some sane people may be ready for the third stage,” and “be ready to bargain.”

“China should calm down,” Jin added, “do well at home, and keep Sino-US relations combative without breaking down.”
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LOL remember that there will also be massive loads of copium before the anglo americans are forced into the final stage of acceptance.

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Jin continued: “So the United States is actually looking to China now. You may have noticed that in the past, the United States has always said that China manipulated the RMB exchange rate and artificially lowered the RMB exchange rate. However, recently, the tone of the United States has completely changed… Why don’t you ask for appreciation? Because our things become more expensive as soon as the renminbi appreciates, and the United States must import our goods, and that adds to inflationary pressure.”

Biden’s Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen said some weeks ago that tariffs on Chinese goods had hurt American consumers, Jin noted, adding that “it is very likely that Yellen will cancel the tariffs imposed on China by Trump within this year.”
USG is trying to cancel the trump era tariffs without looking weak but i doubt China is in a conciliatory mood, especially after everything that's happened.

There's a reason why China is confident enough to issue a list of orders that the US must achieve before a reset can be achieved- none of them are face saving for the anglo americans, which is essential because the anglo must learn humility.
 

ansy1968

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LOL remember that there will also be massive loads of copium before the anglo americans are forced into the final stage of acceptance.

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USG is trying to cancel the trump era tariffs without looking weak but i doubt China is in a conciliatory mood, especially after everything that's happened.

There's a reason why China is confident enough to issue a list of orders that the US must achieve before a reset can be achieved- none of them are face saving for the anglo americans, which is essential because the anglo must learn humility.
@DarkStar bro my analysis, the Chinese is expecting and preparing for the worst which is a good strategy. Never let your nation salvation fall to others grace. It makes you look weak, the Chinese smell blood, they had experience the 2008 financial crisis and see the American promise of fiscal discipline being disregard. In Xi thinking the US promise is like that of a tissue paper, they will act on their interest and dispose your agreement when not needed, in other words the American can't be trusted.
 

DarkStar

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We're getting echoes of fall of rome vibes out here; the en-Serfment of the american people, forever renters tied to the land whilst monied elites lord over everyone else.
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american elites from as far back as William Randolph Hearst have fancied themselves like european lords; it'd make sense that modern american elites would also share the same fanciful notions as well.
 
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