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horse

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But seriously what are negative impact on massive stimulus?
5) The economic ideas, the Marxist are probably people with the answers of what will happen next. I forgot all my Marxism, so this is just a guess from what Prof. Micheal Hudson writes about all the time. That according to Marx analysis, the debt overwhelms because there is too much of it, and all economic activity hinges upon debt servicing, which is a drag on the economy. The Americans being this indebted, their economy should be slowing down to being low growth. The experience in some European countries the past 2 decades could be the same thing happen.

The 2 trillion dollar US stimulus bill, is just a band-aid. It is not an attempt to solve anything, just not let things get out of control, for societal considerations.

6) Unless we see the US economy kick into gear, and grow at its historical average which is 3% during the long run, personally I would accept that low growth due to too much debt is a permanent feature of the US economy. Remember that President Obama was the only US president in history to never have a year of 3% growth in his term, and he had two terms. President Trump had one year of 3% growth because of the tax cuts, but that would mean 11 years of the last 12 the US economy could not grow at 3% (when other countries growing at 5%).

7) Australia maybe a country of the future, as they have a two track economy they say. The regular economy had been struggling for years. While the Australian economy sectors related to the China trade were doing good (before the trade bashing started).

The point is we may see other nation's economies go in two speeds, but the factor there would be tech. Either you work in the tech sector and see growth, or nothing is happening in other industries.

Personally speaking, I do not think it is fair. Not everyone wants to work in tech, and you do not need that many people either. What are we going to do with the rest of the population?

That is why I believe in the Universal Basic Income. I would believe it will work in our advantage. I think it makes class warfare more risk-less.<rants></rants>

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horse

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Uh ... okay ... maybe that is too long winded ...

Have a diversified portfolio, stocks, gold, foreign stocks. Even high yielding stocks.

Watch your basket of eggs really carefully. When the next financial crisis hit, do not hesitate and sell all your stocks, but keep the gold. We can always get back in later.

Next financial crisis, probably 5 to 7 to 10 years away.

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ansy1968

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Going at the current rate ($4-5T deficit a year) we’re hitting $40-50T by 2024

2%-3% interest rate (~current average interest on debt) on that is 10-15% gdp, really it's closer to negative or 0 due to 2-3% inflation.

If they don’t wanna pay that interest dollar will depreciate like 2-5% a year.


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Lol imagine 9% interest on $50T of debt.

Sadly there will be lots of west worshipping chinese holders of US debt as well
@localizer WOW!!!, they can blame the Biden administration and prepare the stage for Trump eventual return and the cycle continue...LOL. man were will they produce the money to fund the TSMC Arizona FAB and its corresponding semiconductor project. From China? ;)
 

localizer

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@localizer WOW!!!, they can blame the Biden administration and prepare the stage for Trump eventual return and the cycle continue...LOL. man were will they produce the money to fund the TSMC Arizona FAB and its corresponding semiconductor project. From China? ;)
wait for his infrastructure bill and student loan forgiveness
 

AndrewS

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I thought you lost the arguement in the other thread, couldnt rebutt my facts, and said you were "done"?

Sorry if my facts caused you stress of cognitive dissonance but no need for personal or strawman attacks, guess your rhetoric aint done after all


No. My arguments are analytically sound. But I choose to devote my energy and time elsewhere.

I'll simply look back in 5 years time and be able to see how wind and solar electricity are rapidly displacing coal and gas.

And I will make my investments accordingly.
 

AndrewS

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Look at how old your energy graph is. It's showing 2006 prices!

Since then solar and battery technology has improved many times over.
Furthermore, these are still immature technologies, which are seeing rapid technology improvements, along with economies of scale cost efficiencies.

Solar electricity today has an ERoEI of more than 11, which already far exceeds the 7 minimum shown on your graph.
 

AndrewS

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@quantumlight

Furthermore, solar and batteries are still immature, so are seeing rapid technology improvements.
Then combine this with large increases in the scale of production and access to low-cost financing as it becomes commonplace.

In the next 10 years, wind and solar electricity prices are expected to drop by half, as per IRENA
And solar is already the cheaper form of unsubsidised electricity in many places.

MIT also estimate that for 95% of electricity generation in the USA, a combination of wind/solar would need a battery cost of $150/MWh.
But guess what? Batteries already cost less than this. In the next 10 years, battery prices are expect to drop from $143 today to $70, which is a halving on the cost.

Go argue with these analyses if you think they're wrong.

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localizer

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Woah!!!@localizer if you included all of that it may surpassed $55T.
US deficit was $1T by default under trump and will now be $2-4T under ccp Biden

it was like $500 billion under obama’s better years


the fact of the matter is every time you do a full bailout an economy, it’s gonna take twice as much the next time because you doubled the equities with the last bailout.

It was $4t under obama and $8T under trump.

China joe could do $16T easily
 

AndrewS

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US deficit was $1T by default under trump and will now be $2-4T under ccp Biden

it was like $500 billion under obama’s better years


the fact of the matter is every time you do a full bailout an economy, it’s gonna take twice as much the next time because you doubled the equities with the last bailout.

It was $4t under obama and $8T under trump.

China joe could do $16T easily

Equities shouldn't be bailed out.

57% of US equities are owned by the richest 1%.
88% of US equities are owned by the richest 10%.

They don't need a bailout by any stretch of the imagination.


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