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gadgetcool5

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Medical science, semiconductors, jet engine materials are all things that requires time and money.

I would actually place medical science as the most difficult.

China will get to EUV machines and WS-15 engine before it makes a dent in the vast array of medical technologies.

Yes, these core technologies are important.

China should not get into a mindset where it needs to make *everything* itself. There are only a select number of core technologies it needs to master, there are many other areas where it would be better to source from abroad. The reality is, the best components are not always going to come from China, you never know when the smartest inventor or innovator in a certain area could be from Russia or Brazil or the Middle East or Southeast Asia. China should not be afraid to source from those areas to make its own products the best, while focusing only on core technologies that are the most difficult.

In an area like EUV, one reason why ASML beat out Nikon is that it's a highly distributed company that only makes a tiny portion of its components in-house, it outsourced most of the R&D to its foreign suppliers. Nikon on the other hand tried to do everything in-house. Thus ASML was able to take advantage of breakthroughs in other countries/companies, Nikon was not. China needs to be the same if it has a chance of ever catching up.

Let the US close itself off with one ban after another. China should position itself as an open and reliable counterparty willing to do business with anyone willing to do business with it.
 

MortyandRick

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Medical science, semiconductors, jet engine materials are all things that requires time and money.

I would actually place medical science as the most difficult.

China will get to EUV machines and WS-15 engine before it makes a dent in the vast array of medical technologies.

I agree partially to that comment. Medical science and biotech is difficult but mainly with the research and creation of new drugs. Once a drug is found, production of the medicine is actually quite easy. Take for example biologics, such as Enbrel for RA. It's one of the most complex medications to make. The creation and discovery of the molecule was difficult and cost a lot for money for trials but once it is out there, the molecule is currently manufacture by China as a separate domestic brand which it can only sell in China but China can make it. Same goes for many medications. This is not like making lithography equipment or jet engines.

Medical testing equipment is hard to make such as MRI or CT machines but China does have some companies who can make it. Additionally testing equipment and vaccines are difficult to make but coronovirus has shown that China can compete with the best of them in this regard.

Exploration and creation of new medicines is still a high barrier to entry that China needs to work on but usually when a medicine is discovered, making a generic version does not have a high barrier to entry, it's only protected by a countries patent laws, which differ with different countries
 

Tam

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Their purchasing power has greatly declined, relative to the purchase of homes, cars, being able to afford health care, and a college education.

China has been exporting deflation with its cheaper goods. Put a tariff on that, and you are reducing the purchasing power further of Americans.

Covid 19 is also affecting food production and supply chains, creating a lesser supply on the product while you are printing vast sums of money. That's a scenario for hyper inflation.
 

localizer

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A good read on the dollar's decline as the world currency.

China confident ‘de-dollarization’ is fast underway amid tense times
By Wang Wen Source: Global Times Published: 2020/7/20 19:31:41

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I better see some good data in July or August demonstrating this or else they bullshitting us.

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Gatekeeper

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I better see some good data in July or August demonstrating this or else they bullshitting us.

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Not sure what you're trying to say? The chart you produce is not comparable to GT article as theirs is over a two year period.

Also, they are referring to dollar transactions (not purchases) usage in the international market. But let's not get hung up on this. It is going to be a long process. It just that it is the beginning of the end.
 

localizer

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Not sure what you're trying to say? The chart you produce is not comparable to GT article as theirs is over a two year period.

Also, they are referring to dollar transactions (not purchases) usage in the international market. But let's not get hung up on this. It is going to be a long process. It just that it is the beginning of the end.

I just feel like China shouldn't dump later with everyone else and gets shafted with the rest of them.

Maybe China should relax capital flight rules.
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