Alternate Universe: China as naval superpower

crobato

Colonel
VIP Professional
If you think about it, Chiang in the end, didn't do that bad. He did pull off one of the most remarkable social and economic transformations of any country of the 20th Century. That reform and transformation could have been pulled off in the fifties, supposing let's say, in our alternative history.

So fifty years later, how will the alternative ROCN of 2008 will look like?

To start, the ROCN after the war, was made of hand me down USN and IJN ships. Today, it probably is a mixture of later hand me down ships, plus a few new ships. In our alternative history, China will still modernize, and today, an economic and manufacturing powerhouse that includes ship building.

I think the navy will still get Perrys, Spruances and even the Kidds. By now they may even get the first generation Burkes used from the USN.

However, in the early 90s, the Europeans want a piece of the Chinese market. The move threatens US interests in China but the ROC wants to use the Europeans as a price chip bargaining point. So China buys some European stuff. The Ka Ding class will still be built but later the specifications advanced to a point that the newer frigates will resemble the Formidable class with Aster missiles.

The ROCN will examine German proposals for the F100 and F125 MEKO destroyers and frigates. It is heavily considering to do either a Burke copy or something like the F100.

The ROCN also gets its Walruses submarines from the Netherlands, but their number won't stop in 2. The UK offers its Upholder Class, so instead of ending up in Canada, the subs end up in China. But Germany and later Sweden also wants to get into the market. China procures a few Type 209s, then negotiates to locally assemble Type 214.

Territorial and water disputes with the Republic of Korea, which is unified by the way, and Japan are all still there, and all three countries continue to beef their navies in a show of force and dominance, while the US stands like a referree.
 

kliu0

Junior Member
Yea, I agree with what crobato has to say. A democratic ROC in mainland China would gain access to western weapons and equipment. Could've been a major powerhouse and superpower, if Chiang didn't demilitarize his troops in 1946 and 1947.
 

C4SRI

Banned Idiot
China's blue water capabilities are still sub-par. They lack carriers and the educational infrastructure to support carrier implementation in blue water operations.

The majority of Chinese naval equipment is Soviet not German. The PLAN re-outfits the Soviet Vessels.

The biggest mistake that Western powers make is to assume that because the PRC is buying 10 and 20 year old equipment (emphasis on equipment, not technology); that they will be sub-par when confronting more "militarily-sophisticated western powers."

These Soviet made-ships (and also ships made of Soviet design) are outfitted with the latest stolen technology, or technology purchased through Israel or Great Britain.

The PRC is strong in littoral operations; white, green and brown H2-o; their blue water operations still lag . . .
 

crobato

Colonel
VIP Professional
You obviously have not been reading a lot and wrong in most counts. Don't waste our time and bandwidth here unless you get to past Lesson 101 about the realities of the actual PLAN today.
 

flyzies

Junior Member
China's blue water capabilities are still sub-par. They lack carriers and the educational infrastructure to support carrier implementation in blue water operations.

The majority of Chinese naval equipment is Soviet not German. The PLAN re-outfits the Soviet Vessels.

The biggest mistake that Western powers make is to assume that because the PRC is buying 10 and 20 year old equipment (emphasis on equipment, not technology); that they will be sub-par when confronting more "militarily-sophisticated western powers."

These Soviet made-ships (and also ships made of Soviet design) are outfitted with the latest stolen technology, or technology purchased through Israel or Great Britain.

The PRC is strong in littoral operations; white, green and brown H2-o; their blue water operations still lag . . .

You sound like someone who's only getting news about PLA from Western media outlets...
 
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