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All is not what it seems within China's High Speed Rail development.
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RedMercury
Junior Member
Chinese people can safely ignore the schadenfreude of some of these Western media outlets. They know the problems of China better than any foreigner can possibly know, and they are the ones in a position to do something about it. China's destiny belongs to Chinese alone.
Red___Sword
Junior Member
I hope the following could be heeded as non-OT:
1. It is 100% clear that in any time (pre-1978, post1978, rightnow...) there were and always are, official employees, across all definition of "ranks", doing one thing on top of what ever could occour on earth - that is to keep their jobs. As such, I have no doubt certain amount of investigation (not "revealing the investigation" - the investigation itself) has been hampered, no matter the individual involves in corruption or not - as long as "accountability" involved. Simple word, anyone concerned, would play a certain amount of "dodge the ball".
2. There simply HAVE this bunch of people, (Chinese ethnic I am talking about) getting compensated by whatever entity, by means of payment, or benifits they are seeking (ie. greencard...), by doing the "bash China" thing.
3. People in point 1 (official employees who excersice authorities), knows the exsistence of people in point 2, it is one function of their job (and they, we, me, appreciating it) that, COUNTER the BS and social unrest created by point 2 people - and they still need to (according to point 1) make priority efforts to "keep the job".
The result, is what we common people seeing, the (with *good* intention, in a matter of speaking) stupid and chaotic efforts of "vox populi guidance" 舆论引导. - You can not say such effort is outright good, or outright bad, in a fair and justice mind regarding "Making China a better tomorrow" - but it can definatly improve.
Personaly me as a Chinese citizen, don't care who the official big boss(es) would go to jail or eat a bullet... What I care is the overall "performance" of the society (lead by government) getting improved. And I know CPC is doing better, and can do better.
1. It is 100% clear that in any time (pre-1978, post1978, rightnow...) there were and always are, official employees, across all definition of "ranks", doing one thing on top of what ever could occour on earth - that is to keep their jobs. As such, I have no doubt certain amount of investigation (not "revealing the investigation" - the investigation itself) has been hampered, no matter the individual involves in corruption or not - as long as "accountability" involved. Simple word, anyone concerned, would play a certain amount of "dodge the ball".
2. There simply HAVE this bunch of people, (Chinese ethnic I am talking about) getting compensated by whatever entity, by means of payment, or benifits they are seeking (ie. greencard...), by doing the "bash China" thing.
3. People in point 1 (official employees who excersice authorities), knows the exsistence of people in point 2, it is one function of their job (and they, we, me, appreciating it) that, COUNTER the BS and social unrest created by point 2 people - and they still need to (according to point 1) make priority efforts to "keep the job".
The result, is what we common people seeing, the (with *good* intention, in a matter of speaking) stupid and chaotic efforts of "vox populi guidance" 舆论引导. - You can not say such effort is outright good, or outright bad, in a fair and justice mind regarding "Making China a better tomorrow" - but it can definatly improve.
Personaly me as a Chinese citizen, don't care who the official big boss(es) would go to jail or eat a bullet... What I care is the overall "performance" of the society (lead by government) getting improved. And I know CPC is doing better, and can do better.
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It still amazes me how train with state of the art technology and human monitoring would still crashes. I am not just talking about the Chinese high speed rail here, but all the train that have crashed in the last decade or 2 in the developed world.
One thing I don't get about is how news group were able to obtain inside source about the Chinese propaganda bureau giving directives to CCTV on how to report of the incidence
One thing I don't get about is how news group were able to obtain inside source about the Chinese propaganda bureau giving directives to CCTV on how to report of the incidence
Mr T
Senior Member
Do you mean a Chinese language news article or something from the Chinese state media? Good luck with the latter!
Easy, it's because the propaganda officials use modern communication methods to distribute their orders. It used to be done by telephone or verbally. Now it's done by email (don't know about texts). So it's so much easier for someone to take a snapshot of that and post it online. You have to realise that even if virtually all journalists eventually toe the Party line, it doesn't mean that they all agree with it. It takes just one to leak the directives.
bluewater2012
Junior Member
That's what I've heard... and was said leaked by an high official... seem to be opposition within the party as to how to properly handle the matters.... as seen with first trying to buried the train but later digging it back out after being exposed to the world of trying coverup the evidences. I think only Wen Jiabao is the only person who are being the most transparent in handling this tragedy of right now.
Mr T
Senior Member
Can we be so sure? He said he'd been ill for several days before he visited, which is why he couldn't make it. But the following blog says that the Chinese media was reporting that he was doing state functions at the time.
bladerunner
Banned Idiot
Another PR disaster if its true. The only thing they have got right so far is to improve the compensation payments. Futhermore confidential no fault compensation occurs occassionaly in the West.
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