Considering China and US don't use the same currency, PPP is a better measure than nominal GDP in US dollars.
Aircraft Carriers III
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Considering China and US don't use the same currency, PPP is a better measure than nominal GDP in US dollars.
I don't think they plan to buy any carriers from the U.S. so...
The US is doing a good thing in making the two aircraft centric Ameica LHAs and two of the Wasp LHD into essentially Escort carriers, CSEs. The will be able to carry up to 24 F-35Bs and a couple of ASW/Rescue aircraft and 2 AEW type aircraft. this adds 4 carriers to the 10 large nuclear carriers and ends up with 14 which was the number the US had durning the first half of the of the Cold War.
And, there is already an excellent candidate for the AEW air craft and that is the EV-22 Osprey. It was designed and offered to the UK but they ended up building the Merlin oriented AEW helo which cannot go as high, does not carry as large or long range of radar. With the proliferation of such carries in the US, Japan, Korea, India, Italy, Spain, Turkey and elsewhere, there is a very potentially lucrative market for them. At least 2 per ship, and a couple of trading,and a couple ot for reserve aircraft for each country.probably a total of 60-80 aircraft before it was all said and done.
They would have the rang to be able to detect most modern attack aircraft carrying long range, air launched ASMs before they were launched. Very critical and something helo AEW does not have the range for.
In addition, another critical aircraft would be the SV-22 Osprey which has also been proposed bringing back the long range, heavier ordinance the US lost with absolute way premature, and, IMHO, opinion rediculose retirement of the S-3s. ASW is one of the critical needs of any carrier. The SV-22 would bring this critical long range and heavier ordinance back to all of the carriers, the CVNs, the CVs, the CVEs, and the Japanese and Korean, and other conversions of the Dokdo and Izumo vessels.
Here's two video showing the JS Kaga DDH-184 configured with F-35Bs and these other aircraft. Both are in 1/350 scale. One video of the carrier itself, and one videos of the entire CSG (Carrier Strike Group) arrayed around her.
JS Kaga DDH-183 with F-35Bs
JMSDF CSG centered on JS Kaga
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And, there is already an excellent candidate for the AEW air craft and that is the EV-22 Osprey. It was designed and offered to the UK but they ended up building the Merlin oriented AEW helo which cannot go as high, does not carry as large or long range of radar. With the proliferation of such carries in the US, Japan, Korea, India, Italy, Spain, Turkey and elsewhere, there is a very potentially lucrative market for them. At least 2 per ship, and a couple of trading,and a couple ot for reserve aircraft for each country.probably a total of 60-80 aircraft before it was all said and done.
They would have the rang to be able to detect most modern attack aircraft carrying long range, air launched ASMs before they were launched. Very critical and something helo AEW does not have the range for.
In addition, another critical aircraft would be the SV-22 Osprey which has also been proposed bringing back the long range, heavier ordinance the US lost with absolute way premature, and, IMHO, opinion rediculose retirement of the S-3s. ASW is one of the critical needs of any carrier. The SV-22 would bring this critical long range and heavier ordinance back to all of the carriers, the CVNs, the CVs, the CVEs, and the Japanese and Korean, and other conversions of the Dokdo and Izumo vessels.
Here's two video showing the JS Kaga DDH-184 configured with F-35Bs and these other aircraft. Both are in 1/350 scale. One video of the carrier itself, and one videos of the entire CSG (Carrier Strike Group) arrayed around her.
JS Kaga DDH-183 with F-35Bs
JMSDF CSG centered on JS Kaga
Consider subscribing to my channel. I also have a eat video of a two carrier CSG for Japan with both Izumo carriers with more escorts.
Great video Jeff always enjoy them.
such a shame the UK didn’t go for the AEW EV-22. My hope is that if the Marines get them, we will embark them at some point first with the US Marines and then our own. The model of the DDH-183 is fantastic, it’s such a shame they won’t be going with the Ramp.
Thanks.
With the Japanese and Koreans going with the F-35B, and potentially Ausralia, along with several others, and with us turning four LHA and LHD vessels into Escort Carriers, I believe there is a Google chance that the EV-22 will be reconsidered...and it should be.
With a couple of billion in the ship, another couple of billion in the air wing, and with a couple of thousand highly trained personnel aboard, we should absolutely jump at the chance to provide a platform that realistically has a chance to detect and have enemy aircraft intercepted before they launch their missiles.
The EV-22 would significantly out perform any helo based AEW in radar range, ceiling for flight, and range and staying power. Not at all as good as the E-2D, but the AEW Osptey is VTOL, which it must be on these decks.
Merlin service ceiling is about 15,000 feet, whereas V-22 looks like 25,000 feet, so there would be a heck'uva difference in detection range all else being equal.
The idea of a common basic hull design has some advantages, but I think it's safe to say Russia's wish list far exceeds both available infrastructure and budget. Pretty much every single Russian naval ship building project since the soviet collapse has had absurd levels of delays, incredibly slow builds, technical issues and budget blowouts.
I think at this stage the best bet for the Russian programme would be to contract one of the Chinese shipyards to manufacture some Shandong type hulls, propulsion and hotel systems (power, water, crew facilities), then fit them out with Russian combat / sensor systems and air wing. In an ideal world, I'd guess Russian would want four hulls, split between Northern and Pacific fleets, but realistically two is probably more sustainable in the long-term, with one in each fleet. The reduced maintenance overhead of the more modern design would likely mean two could be maintained for little more than the current Kuznetsov, which could finally be put out of it's misery.