Aircraft Carriers III

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Wasn't there a proposal to use V-22s for refuelling? Considering its impressive payload, that could work really well! What became of it?
The Marines are looking into it. The Navy is targeting KQ25 ( yes I know it's MQ but K is more accurate.)
The amount of fuel a V-22, MQ-25 or F-18 with buddy store can actually offload is ridiculously small.
None of the Carrier tankers can match a Tanker transport like KC130J. It's just a fact they would take up to much deck. MQ25 has 10,000 lb fuel capacity. That's smaller then the full external load of a F/A18E which is 16,800+ (superior to the S3 @16,600) On the other side of that though the MQ25's engine sips fuel compared to the Rino so less a need to use that external load it's self.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
The USN experimented with a
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That was in OCT 1963 aboard Forrestal. The aircraft was deemed too large for carrier life.
Exactly my point.
Once a C-130 is On on the deck what then? You can't land anything other than a Helicopter or Tiltrotors nor can you launch anything because it's the elephant in the subway car. And you can't move it off the deck or under the deck. It's just to big all you can do is fly it off.

That's why they built the C1Trader , C2 Greyhound and are moving to CMV22 smaller cargo birds able to operate on the deck and in the hangers. The same for Bombers the Navy tried to have a dedicated bomber it also proved there largest tanker to 21,000 lbs of fuel, but the KA3 and A3 were at the very edge of practical and rational.

Because of the requirements of the hanger and deck you cannot have a carrier tanker able to compete with a runway launched tanker. There will always be a smaller fuel load for the carrier tanker unless you go and build a floating airbase but the later is almost as impractical as a Helicarrier.

This floats into of course the problem with conventional carrier air wings having inherent range limitations and air wing size limitations preventing longer range bomber types off the decks both mean that the Air force is never out of the job.
However with advances in access denial that means that tankers like the new KC46 face the potential of being locked out of potential operations and limiting the ability of the air wing to operate with impunity.
This is an issue also shared with USAF aircraft and the reason why the USAF is looking into the potential of stealthy tankers. It would allow for operations of carrier and airbase launched fighters and attackers to engage in operations in threat airspace at longer ranges well maintaining survival of tankers and potential future AEW assets with acceptable margins of risk.
 

Air Force Brat

Brigadier
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The USN experimented with a
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That was in OCT 1963 aboard Forrestal. The aircraft was deemed too large for carrier life.

Yep, the C-130 conducted those air ops with-out arresting gear or catapult, but NO way the C-130 could live aboard a carrier,
. They could possibly do an emergency op, but flying that bird and stopping it aboard the boat was hairy, as were departures...
 

Air Force Brat

Brigadier
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The USN experimented with a
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That was in OCT 1963 aboard Forrestal. The aircraft was deemed too large for carrier life.

Yep, Lt. James H. Flatley was the AC, he had company, they started at 85,000 lbs. with a 40 knot headwind, the first rollout was under 300 ft... around 40 touch and goes, and 21 "traps" and 21 "cat shots",, well not really, LOL longest roll out was in a squall, around 500ft....that boy and his two Bro's had some "stones"!
 

bd popeye

The Last Jedi
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The flight deck had to be cleared to operate that C-130. Not much space to spot the regular air wing thereby making the use of a C-130 as a COD impossible.

As you see those PIX of, the Mighty FID = First In Defense, Forrestal it's sad to know that the ship no longer exist. She met her final fate in a ship breakers yard in Brownsville TX in 2014.

 
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