Aircraft Carriers III

Jeff Head

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Sey what!?!! I will visit Aussie defence talk..err I mean Defense Talk to see what the fellows from down under think...

What a minute.. what then is the purpose of the ski ramp? C'mon now...
Their latest "white Paper," did pretty much put the kabosh to the F-35 operating off of them now.

But you never know what might happen later. The ski-jump could also be used for other aircraft, like UAVs.

Officially, the Australian folks have explained on numerous occasions that the ski-ramps were retained because it would have cost more to remove them,

Well, there would have definitely had to have been a redesign of the Juan Carlos without ski-ramps, and that would have cost. but then, when building them, what they saved in construction would probably (IMHO) have more than offset the cost of the design change.

But it would also reduce future flexibility.

As long as those ski-ramps are there, the Australians can later consider their options...and I think that is the real intent. Those options do not necessarily have to be a Strike Fighter. As I say, they could be UAVs or other aircraft too.
 

Air Force Brat

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Sey what!?!! I will visit Aussie defence talk..err I mean Defense Talk to see what the fellows from down under think...

What a minute.. what then is the purpose of the ski ramp? C'mon now...

Better take yur 44 mag and your ball bat, the insane clown posse over there may throw you off the forum, just tell em you love F-22s??? LOL, them dudes ain't friendly!
 
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Things happen and things change. Nothing new going on here. Nothing.

bd popeye, have you ever sailed around South America? am asking because
“Our journey around South America is one that few aircraft carriers get to experience, and we are eager to work with our partner nations,”
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Carrier USS George Washington Departs San Diego After 4-Day Delay for Repair Work
Fresh with minor repairs that delayed its planned departure by four days, the aircraft carrier USS George Washington (CVN-73) pulled away from North Island Naval Air Station in Coronado, Calif., for a notable deployment.

Navy officials haven’t specified what mechanical issues held up the ship and what last-minute repair work was done while still pierside at North Island.

“We have all the resources here to tackle it quickly,” Capt. Timothy Kuehhas, Washington’s‘s skipper, told reporters in televised reports before boarding the ship for the departure.
“We are definitely ready to get underway today,” added Rear Adm. Lisa Franchetti, who commands Carrier Strike Group 9 aboard Washington.

The carrier, which arrived in California on Aug. 10 from its prior homeport in Yokosuka, Japan, will travel south, circumvent the tip of South America and head north to Norfolk, Va., for a scheduled mid-life refueling and complex overhaul (RCOH).

“The George Washington Carrier Strike Group’s deployment around South America provides a valuable opportunity to train and operate with several key partner nations in the region, enhancing cooperation, mutual understanding, and interoperability between our forces,” Franchetti said in a statement. “This deployment also gives our Sailors a chance to better understand the region and our shared interests and values.”

“Our journey around South America is one that few aircraft carriers get to experience, and we are eager to work with our partner nations,” Kuehhas said in the statement.

The carrier is deploying with Destroyer Squadron 23, Carrier Air Wing 2 and guided-missile destroyers USS Chafee (DDG-90) and USS McFaul (DDG-74). They will participate in the U.S. Southern Command exercise Southern Seas.

Carrier Air Wing 2 includes the “Bounty Hunters” of Strike Fighter Squadron (VFA) 2, the “Kestrels” of VFA-137, the “Golden Dragons” of VFA-192, the “Blue Blasters” of VFA-34, the “Black Eagles” of Carrier Airborne Early Warning Squadron (VAW) 113, the “Gauntlets” of Electronic Attack Squadron (VAQ) 136, the “Black Knights” of Helicopter Sea Combat Squadron 4, the “Blue Hawks” of Helicopter Sea Maritime Strike Squadron 78, and “Providers” of Fleet Logistic Support Squadron 30.

George Washington is part of a historic three-carrier “hull swap” as the Navy shifts its flattops to accommodate the GW‘s critical nuclear refueling and overhaul in Newport News, maintain CVN capability in Japan with the arrival of USS Ronald Reagan (CVN-76) already en route to Yokosuka, and sustain carrier support on the West Coast when USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN-71) makes San Diego its new homeport.

For the swap, Washington is largely staffed by Reagan crew members after
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enabling two-thirds of the Yokosuka-based crew to crossover to the Reagan and remain in Japan as part of the forward-deployed naval force with the Reagan, according to the Navy. Once in Virginia, the San Diego-based sailors will be flown back to California, where they will join TR at the end of its around-the-world deployment once it arrives at North Island. TR and its carrier strike group are currently deployed in the Persian Gulf region.

Washington, which has been forward-deployed in Japan since 2008 with U.S. 7th Fleet, will get some major upgrades and fixes to systems and equipment during its RCOH, the Navy said.

Delays in ship departures, often for mechanical problems, aren’t unusual. In March, Roosevelt, which completed its RCOH last year, was
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Air Force Brat

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Better take yur 44 mag and your ball bat, the insane clown posse over there may throw you off the forum, just tell em you love F-22s??? LOL, them dudes ain't friendly!

I'm pulling your leg Popeye, I'm sure they would love you, but they've never heard of the Hi/Lo concept for F-22/F-35, no mention of Raptor is allowed unless you are bashing the Raptor?? They don't like talking about individual aircraft/platforms, its all about systems??? Why I've always appreciated SDF's mods so much, you guys were sweet and nice, unless somebody was being bad??? They take themselves far to seriously?? IMHO, I really don't go over there much these days, I'd rather hang wit da bros on SDF, the worlds premier military forum!

More importantly the most polite and respectful!
 

Jeff Head

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Naval Today said:
The final sections of the second Queen Elizabeth Class aircraft carrier produced by Cammell Laird arrived at Babcock Rosyth Facilities in Fife on Thursday, September 3, following their voyage from Birkenhead.

Centre Block 4 is the longest of the upper sections of hull of HMS PRINCE OF WALES, the second of two new aircraft carriers being constructed by the Aircraft Carrier Alliance. Comprised in two parts (rings C and D), it contains a mixture of aviation workshops, mission system compartments and training rooms. The top deck of the block will make up the single biggest part of the flight deck, situated behind the aft island.

The block will be fitted onto the top of Lower Block 4 in four sections by Goliath, the largest lift capacity crane in the UK. The 1,600 tonne sections of the carrier was transported by a sea-going barge and travelled around the north coast to reach the assembly site, a journey of 680 miles over five days.

The aircraft carriers HMS QUEEN ELIZABETH and HMS PRINCE OF WALES are being delivered by the Aircraft Carrier Alliance, a partnering relationship between BAE Systems, Thales UK, Babcock and the Ministry of Defence.
 

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... developing story:
Experts say Ford delay to cause more deployment flux

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Carrier Ford’s Maiden Deployment Could Face 2-Year Delay Due to Shock Trials
The Navy’s newest aircraft carrier may see a two-year delay in its maiden deployment, after
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it would be put through shock trials before being allowed overseas.

The Pentagon originally said the decision could delay the carrier by six months – as first reported by
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– but the Navy’s assistant deputy chief of naval operations for operations, plans and strategy (OPNAV N3/5B) told reporters today that the delay could be up to two years.

“The addition of the shock trials is modifying the deployment schedule. As it stands now, there is a significant delay in being able to deploy the Gerald R. Ford,” Rear Adm. Jeffrey Harley said after a House Armed Services Committee hearing.
“We are reviewing ways in which we can mitigate the deployment schedule and the presence requirements.”

Capt. Thom Burke, director of fleet readiness (OPNAV N43), said after the hearing that the length of the delay would depend on how well the carrier performs in the test, which uses live underwater explosives to test the survivability of a ship’s system under extreme conditions.

“A shock trial is an uncertain event. What’s going to break when you do it?” he said.
“So there’s a window of uncertainty there as to how significant is the shock trial, how well is the ship going to do? It’s a brand new ship. Why do you do a shock trial? You do it because it’s a brand new class of ship. If it goes to design then nothing breaks and you don’t have that two years. But if a lot of things end up needing to be repaired then it’s going to be longer. So it’s pretty uncertain, it’s a big window.”

Harley added that U.S. Fleet Forces Command is reviewing ways to keep up its global carrier presence with only 10 carriers – Ford will bring the fleet back up to the congressionally mandated 11 carriers – for an even longer amount of time. Ford is expected to commission next year and would enter the fleet in the early 2020s, so Harley said the Navy had plenty of time to come up with a plan in the event that Ford needs significant repair work after the test.

Due to the delays in the manufacture of Ford, the Navy had pushed to conduct the shock tests — a test using live explosives to test the ship, crew and systems in a near combat situation — to the second ship in the class, John F. Kennedy (CVN-79).

However, they were overruled by the Office of the Secretary of Defense (OSD).

In an Aug. 7 memo from Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition, Technology and Logistics (AT&L) Frank Kendall to Navy Secretary Ray Mabus, Kendall directed the Navy to fund the shock gets as part of the Department of the Navy’s Fiscal Year 2017 budget submission and provide OSD a full plan for the tests by December.

“The operational implications of any delay to CVN-78 entering the CVN deployment cycle caused by scheduling the [shock tests] prior to initial deployment are acknowledged and were considered, “read a portion of the memo
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Jeff Head

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... goes on:
Carrier Ford’s Maiden Deployment Could Face 2-Year Delay Due to Shock Trials
Let's read carefully what this article says:

"...may see a two-year delay"

"The Pentagon originally said the decision could delay the carrier by six months..."

"...that the delay could be up to two years."

Then the money quote:

US Navy said:
“A shock trial is an uncertain event. What’s going to break when you do it? So there’s a window of uncertainty there as to how significant is the shock trial, how well is the ship going to do? It’s a brand new ship. If it goes to design then nothing breaks and you don’t have that two years. But if a lot of things end up needing to be repaired then it’s going to be longer.”

This hull design is a known quantity, as are most of the systems and their attachment/support points in the hull.

So, I believe that the shock test is going to come off like other shock tests have and not impart a huge delay. Chances are, they will do the shock tests and then look at what happened, and a few weeks will suffice.

Clearly, if something critical breaks...they will have to fix it. But if that happens, then someone screwed up big time.

The absolute high likelihood is that this will not be anything close to a two year delay. That is the absolute worse case scenario and the press and the naysayers are latching onto it and giving the impressions that something like that is much more likely than it is.
 
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