Aircraft Carriers III

Obi Wan Russell

Obi Wan Russell

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So this guy " lie " badly on the net o_O
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Those two RAF 'kills' were the aforementioned Harrier GR3 and Jaguar GR1, both I believe from RAF Germany which were involved in separate incidents leading the pilots to eject but the planes carried on flying. They were both shot down by F-4M Phantom FGR2s to prevent them crashing in civilian areas.

Hardly surprising the crabs would try to add them to their total, seeing as it would otherwise be zero!
 
Jeff Head

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What amazing pics.

Now they need to add two Darings to go along with the two Type 23 FFGs.

That an at least one Astute as well, will be an extremely POWERFUL CSG. Very modern, very potent, very capable all around.

Makes me want to see some F-35Bs on deck right now!

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Just doesn't get much better than that right there my friends.

Imagine, in 2-3 years time we are going to see joint ops with a Ford class, a couple of Ticos and Burkes, the Queen Elizabeth, a couple of Darings and Type 23s...and Astutes and Virginias.

What a site that will be...and what a force it will be as we cousins get all of our new, powerful vessels together for joint ops.

I'd love to see one of theZumwalts go along for the ride too!
 
Air Force Brat

Air Force Brat

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Obi Wan Russell said:
In the Harrier you could never take your hands off the controls when in vertical flight as it was like riding a unicycle, all about balance. With the Lightning, if you take your hands off when hovering, it stays where it is and waits for you to tell it what to do next. The wonders of modern technology!
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Obi Wan Russell said:
Since the end of WW2 in 1945, there have been exactly zero air to air kills by RAF aircraft, all postwar kills have been by Fleet Air Arm Fighters deployed from Aircraft Carriers, one in Korea (piston engine Sea Fury against a Mig 15), the rest in the Falklands by Sea Harriers. To be fair the RAF have destroyed a number of enemy aircraft... which were parked on the aprons of enemy air bases at the time. Doesn't qualify as air to air. Neither does the handful of occasions they shot down one of their own (A harrier and a Jaguar spring to mind) which had continued flying after the pilot had ejected and posed a risk to civilians if they were left to run out of fuel. View attachment 40020 View attachment 40021
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Aaaaahhhh! the Sexy and Gorgeous "SEA FURY!",,,, I remember watching Frank Sander's flying a Sea Fury at Oshkosh?? I think the summer of 77 or 78,,, smoke generators on each wing-tip,,, BIG LOOPS,,, lots of "vertical penetration" as they say, just a gorgeous airplane, and quite a racer.

Not as small and SEXY as a Bearcat, but a "brick house" to look at!

It would have been a different ball game had the Bearcat and Sea Fury actually seen much WW II combat! Very kool that the Fury shot down a Mig 15, likely overconfidence on the MIG Driver's part!

I believe one of my heroes was killed in a Sea Fury when the brakes locked up on "roll out", Gene Soucy", one of the "Red Devils" Pitts formation team, flying is a cruel sport! but a heck of a lot of fun while it lasts!
 
Jura The idiot

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the part of USNI News

Navy to Start a Preliminary Design Effort for a Light Carrier, Pluses Up Shipbuilding Totals Over Trump Budget
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"Among one of the largest departures for the SASC, their bill sets aside $30 million for the Navy for a preliminary design effort to create a light carrier for the service.

McCain has been a constant and consistent critic of the Ford-class carrier program and for years has called for an alternative look to the $13-billion price tag for the next-generation hulls. Included in the series of studies the committee asks the Navy to undertake is the question of light carriers’ ability to distribute aviation assets throughout a battlespace.

The most likely scenario would be a modified version of the America-class big-deck amphib that would add two catapults to launch aircraft, similar to World War II-era straight-deck escort carriers. The idea would be to give deployed amphibious ready groups greater ability to field a wider variety of logistics and intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) aircraft that would give the groups a better ability to project power, Bryan Clark,
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. The Navy has said it has been looking at alternatives to the larger 100,000-ton carriers but a serious public study has not emerged.

While the SASC mark added more ships and aircraft, it also trimmed from other programs. The language wants the Navy to hold the third Gerald R. Ford-class aircraft carrier – Enterprise (CVN-80) – at a cost cap of $12 billion, claws back $100 million in funding from the three-ship Zumwalt-class (DDG-1000), and cuts $225 million in funding for the Arleigh Burke-class (DDG-51) line, which USNI News understands was tied to FY 2016 funding for the first Flight III destroyer that has yet to be spent."
 
Jeff Head

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Jura said:
the part of USNI News

Navy to Start a Preliminary Design Effort for a Light Carrier, Pluses Up Shipbuilding Totals Over Trump Budget
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"Among one of the largest departures for the SASC, their bill sets aside $30 million for the Navy for a preliminary design effort to create a light carrier for the service.
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The US Navy has just launched the second "light" carrier in the America class.

With the ability to carry 20 JSFs and the ability to develop both an AEW and an ASW Osprey, they already have their "light carrier."

If you really want it to be a dedicated "carrier," I would enlarge the hanger deck across the length of the ship, provide more ammo and fuel storage, and remove the vehicle areas, thereby increasing the airwing size and room for more personnel for that function and the maintaining and loading of aircraft, and remove all the air assault provisions and make it a straight, dedicated jeep carrier.

It would cost about the same or less, and perhaps get the air-wing up to 40 aircraft.

And with the F-35B and Osprey options...no need for cats. Just put a decent ramp on the bow like the QE and there you have a very strong light carrier that would be as powerful all around as anything else in the world outside of the nuclear carriers.

Then build six of them.
 
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