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kwaigonegin

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delft said:
US is not selling, China is not buying EMALS. China is developing its own EM cats because it is the only way you can catapult aircraft over a ski ramp. And doing that saves a lot of space on deck. Steam cats just don't cut it.
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Conjecture at best. Even IF (emphasize IF) PLAN goes all EMALS do we even know for certain that EMALS can work from a ski ramp? not trying to beat a dead horse but I just don't see PLAN or even any Navy foer that matter trying to put a cat on a ski ramp. To me it's just really redundant in my opinion.

Even if they can get it to work on the ramp (which would require extremely complicated engineering on top of 'regular EMALS') it's just a lot of unnesary work because we know that at best this will be a one off ship (skip ramp/emals combo) being that I think we've all pretty much agreed that PLAN's 3rd or 4th carrier will most likely be a CATOBAR.
 
bd popeye

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In what sense don't steam cats "cut it"? I made seven deployments and never on any ship I served aboard did the catapult fail to do it job....Never.
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kwaigonegin, in your time aboard a carrier did to your knowledge any steam powered catapult fail? thanks..If there are any sailors lurking here that served on any carrier with steam cats I ask the same question...please post a response. Thanks.
 
Jeff Head

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bd popeye said:
Jeff, we think along the same lines. If GRF was moved to the Pacific it would be after the USN was sure all the kinks were worked out of the ship which may take a couple of years.

Ronald Regan remained in the Hampton Roads area for one year after her first sea trail.

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Exactly.

And the Ronald Reagan was not a new class of carrier with all sorts of new tech...like new reactors, a new electrical system, a new catapult system, a new arrestor system, a new radar system, a completely new island, a new deck layout, etc., etc.

I figure it's going to be 2-3 years after her trials and commissioning at least.
 
kwaigonegin

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bd popeye said:
kwaigonegin, in your time aboard a carrier did to your knowledge any steam powered catapult fail? thanks..If there are any sailors lurking here that served on any carrier with steam cats I ask the same question...please post a response. Thanks.
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I've seen cats down for regular maintenance but as in failing while shooting off an aircraft never.
 
navyreco

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Is true that it is called a "cold cat" when a catapult fails ? (even-though it seems like it is a very rare occurrence)
 
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I wish the SEM could trap and launch from Nimtiz class...

Technically they could I am sure. If the french crew brought with them (by helicopter) a couple of these "slings" (or cables) onboard the US CVN. If it works with the french catapult (which is US made anyways) it would likely work on the US ones unless the shuttles are different
 
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FORBIN

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Jeff Head said:
That is correct. My bad. I believe she was changed back to Everett in 2012, right?

Well, I heard a rumor from an active Lt. Cmdr I know that said that the Lincoln would go to Norfolk and the Ford would go to San Diego.

I kind of find that unlikely though, at least for a while. Seems like they would want to keep the Ford on the East Coast near the shipbuilder until she is fully worked up and is pronounced fully operational. That probably will not happen unitl 2018 or so.

So, I find your scenario of the Ford in Norfolk and the Lincoln going to the Pacific more likely, which would give us...

...five in the Atlantic, but one of those in ROCH:

USS Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN 69) - Norfolk, VA
USS George Washington (CVN 73) - Newport News, VA - ROCH
USS Harry S. Truman (CVN 75) - Norfolk, VA
USS George H.W. Bush (CVN 77) - Norfolk, VA
USS Gerald R. Ford (CVN-78) - Norfolk, VA

...and six in the Pacific:

USS Nimitz CVN-68 - Everett, WA
USS Carl Vinson, CVN-70 - San Diego, CA
USS Roosevelt CVN-71 - San Diego, CA
USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN-72), San Diego, CA
USS John Stennis, CVN-74 - Bremerton, WA
USS Ronald Reagan, CVN-76 - Yokosuka, Japan
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This seems good for number maybe Ford for Pacific " more trend " before 30 years about this would have had the opposite, on 15 CV USN had about 60 % in Atlantic.

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To my knowledge it is not known if Roosevelt go with her CSG.

RCOH Washington start after Lincoln but 2016/17 ?
 
kwaigonegin

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navyreco said:
Is true that it is called a "cold cat" when a catapult fails ? (even-though it seems like it is a very rare occurrence)
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NavyReco, a 'cold cat launch' means not enough pressure to launch at the desired speed. A 'hot cat launch' means too much pressure from the steam. Technically it's a break however I've not known of any incident with a cold cat launch where the plane ends up in the drink or a hot cat launch where the shuttle rips off the landing gear, tow bar etc.

I'm not sure about the older carriers but I think improvements in the Nimitz class pretty much eliminated the cold/hot cat launches. It may still happen to some degree happen but not enough to actually cause the events I described.
 
bd popeye

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FORBIN said:
This seems good for number maybe Ford for Pacific " more trend " before 30 years about this would have had the opposite, on 15 CV USN had about 60 % in Atlantic.

New threats...

To my knowledge it is not known if Roosevelt go with her CSG.

RCOH Washington start after Lincoln but 2016/17 ?
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The RCOH on Washington should start in late 2016.

Roosevelt will get a new CSG that is based in the Pacific. the USN has numerous escorts as we all know.

Lets see where the USN carriers were stationed in 1984.

This is my best recollection. I cheated a little. I served the USN from 08.25.1971 until 08.31.1991.

Lexington AVT-16(training carrier)Pensacola FL
Midway CV-41 Yokosuka Japan
Coral Sea CV-43 Norfolk VA
Forrestal CV-59 Philadelphia PA(SLEP)
Saratoga CV-60 Mayport FL
Ranger CV-61 San Diego CA
Independence CV-62 Norfolk VA
Kitty Hawk CV-63 San Diego CA
Constellation CV-64 San Diego CA
Enterprise CVN-65 Alameda CA
America CV-66 Norfolk VA
John F Kennedy CV-67 Norfolk VA
Nimitz CVN-68 Norfolk VA
Dwight D Eisenhower CVN-69 Norfolk VA
Carl Vinson CVN-70 Almeda CA

Seven Atlantic fleet carriers. Plus one in SLEP and one for training..not deployable.

Six Pacific fleet carriers.
 
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