Aircraft Carriers II (Closed to posting)

Franklin said:

Just sell the USS Enterprise to China i'm sure they can make good use of her. :rofl:

Those 2 Kiev class carriers now moored in China aren't museums but rather amusement parks. One of them is even partially converted into a hotel. I suppose they make enough money for their owners to keep them a float. But those are ships from a foreign country and the Chinese don't have the emotional attachment to those ships like the Americans have with their carriers that have a history and a service to their country. People in China visits them out a curiosity of being able to board a real aircraft carrier rather than for any educational purposes about history or sea power.

P.S. Does anyone knows how many disgarded carriers the US has laying around. Those that are decommissioned but not yet gutted but have no chance of becoming a museum.

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The US Navy will not sell their carriers overseas... there is a construction trick that allows USN super carriers to have their flight decks as strength decks and deck edge lifts without compromising hull strength. That trick is still highly classified.

It is very likely that they will either scrap in the US, or sink in deep waters in a Sink-EX.

bd popeye said:

You did read correctly..

Well some group in Portland OR wants to bring the Ranger to Portland..but if you have don't have the funding to maintain the ship as a museum...you are dreaming.

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You need not only tons of Benjamin and Jackson, by the truckloads of them, you also need plenty of aircrafts on display to make a super carrier a worthy museum attraction...pretty much you get a floating aviation museum out of this.

And not to mention how hard it'd be to shell out that kind of money in this economy.

MwRYum said:

You need not only tons of Benjamin and Jackson, by the truckloads of them, you also need plenty of aircrafts on display to make a super carrier a worthy museum attraction...pretty much you get a floating aviation museum out of this.

And not to mention how hard it'd be to shell out that kind of money in this economy.

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Depends on who is "shelling" out the denero. There are plenty of very well off entrepenuers who would do so, and could afford to do so. There are millions of people like me who I think would donate $15-25 per year for her upkeep...without breaking the bank in the leas...at least I would for the enterprise. Would be less disposed for the Rnager.

It's a matter of coming up with a plan with an acceptable ROI (and ROI does not have to forfeit the "charitable" part of a foundation, that ROI to investors who are not part of the foundation ends up being one of the "costs."

Then someone has to present the plan, get it approved, and then execute it. With such historical significance (for the Enterprise), I believe it could be done. But, believeing it "could be done," does not mean that it will be done. I hope someone makes the effort, I would fork out some dollars to help.

bd popeye said:

the cost to make her ship shape for a musuem will be prohibitive for a non-profit agency.

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Just has to be factored into the ROI...and I believe, financially it is very doable. Financnes, IMHO< will not be the issue. They just have to find the right investors, which would include many, many normal Joe's like me.

The structural stuff is all labor and cost too.

The disposition of the nuclear material has to occur in any case, and once that is out of there, thye structural integrity for museum's sake can hbe handled by any good yard...which would be far less than to try to make her seaworthy and operable again.

Anyhow, we'll know if a serious proposal is ever tendered if one day she appears on the "list." Otherwise, no, it will not happen, but I will be watching the list.

Hope it can be a public museum by nation, just keep it, it deserved to that, as many of sailors from different service sessions have spent their dreams of youth here. It`s a solace to them when they can point the physical unit to tell their story to next gerenations.

curious question,I been watching a lot of war documentary involving USN carrier from WW-2,korean and vietnam war, and first and second gulf war,not to mention naval exercise.
One thing I notice, most USN CV operate only in fine weather,no take operation off specially during heavy rain.or I am wrong.

hardware said:

curious question,I been watching a lot of war documentary involving USN carrier from WW-2,korean and vietnam war, and first and second gulf war,not to mention naval exercise.
One thing I notice, most USN CV operate only in fine weather,no take operation off specially during heavy rain.or I am wrong.

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US Carriers cruise through bad weather if it cannot be avoided.

[video=youtube;5AGEpBjcZ4s]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AGEpBjcZ4s[/video]

But they, of course will not launch aircraft in that bad of weather. They do launch up to a certaain sea state, up to a certain visibility, and within wind parameters across the deck.

If those conditions are met, they can launch when its raining. Here's a video of some ops in the rain during Vietnam...you probably can just ignore the narrative, but you vertaainly can see that carriers do operate in rain, as long as the visibility, wind conditions and sea state allow it.:

[video=youtube;hKdaQK5bWzg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKdaQK5bWzg[/video]

hardware said:

One thing I notice, most USN CV operate only in fine weather,no take operation off specially during heavy rain.or I am wrong.

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Here's about as bad a launch as I have ever seen with respect to bad sea conditions, and bad timing. These folks in this COD aircraft are lucky to be alive, but you can see them climb away at the end.

[video=youtube;EZRMpxUniOw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZRMpxUniOw[/video]

thanks for the info.

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Here's about as bad a launch as I have ever seen with respect to bad sea conditions, and bad timing. These folks in this COD aircraft are lucky to be alive, but you can see them climb away at the end.

[video=youtube;EZRMpxUniOw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZRMpxUniOw[/video]

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Too dangerous thoese flights I presumed, in this condition it will surely increase the rate of accidentally killed.

One thing I notice, most USN CV operate only in fine weather,no take operation off specially during heavy rain.or I am wrong.

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But they, of course will not launch aircraft in that bad of weather. They do launch up to a certaain sea state, up to a certain visibility, and within wind parameters across the deck.

If those conditions are met, they can launch when its raining. Here's a video of some ops in the rain during Vietnam...you probably can just ignore the narrative, but you certainly can see that carriers do operate in rain, as long as the visibility, wind conditions and sea state allow it.:

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Correct Jeff. No navy in the World would risk the aircrew and aircraft due to weather conditions.

It depends on how bad the weather is. If it's not safe for the aircrew and aircraft..no flying. All the ships I served on launched & recovered aircraft in undesirable weather conditions from time to time..generally just rain.