AESA Radar to India

tphuang said:

I'm pretty sure mfe would get offered to china as part of the su-35bm deal. As for AESA radar, let's see if the congress will allow this.

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hi tphuang,
u are the same onw who also posts in WAB???

what'ws mfe ?? ( sorry i m bad at short forms . )

crazyinsane105 said:

If India gets the AESA, Pakistan will by no doubt demand something very similar to it. Congress has to think this over very carefully.

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theres a bigger question associated ... Can pakistan afford AESA ??

Pakistan can just have the AESA installed in a sqaudron of aircraft or so. However, I think we can assume that Pakistan will let China "check out" the AESA if the PAF gets it.

ajaybhutani said:

hi tphuang,
u are the same onw who also posts in WAB???

what'ws mfe ?? ( sorry i m bad at short forms . )


theres a bigger question associated ... Can pakistan afford AESA ??

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yep, I'm all over the place
Nice to see your here.
My bad, it's MSFE. MFE is phased array version of Zhuk-ME
Zhuk-MSFE = sokol = phazotron ph

As for AESA, PAF won't be offered AESA, that's for sure. It will be lucky to get PESA.

To Migleader:

mse, was pretty designed to be put on su-33m and su-30mkk3 for China, but China didn't want it. Also, Pero chip was designed to get put on su-27sk of RuAF and plaaf, but again, China didn't want it.

crazyinsane105 said:

Pakistan can just have the AESA installed in a sqaudron of aircraft or so. However, I think we can assume that Pakistan will let China "check out" the AESA if the PAF gets it.

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and thats the whole reason why pakistan will not get AESA .

ajaybhutani said:

and thats the whole reason why pakistan will not get AESA .

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but can u imagine if an indian f-18 equipped with an AESA radar was shot down over kashmir and recovered by the pakistanis in good condition? it would be a disaster for india, america, and any other nation banking on the use of AESA to achieve air superiority. the technology would be invaluable to the paks and chinese. the paks would study it, then give it to the chinese. the chinese might then give it to the russians in exchange for a deal on the development of a new chinese-russian AESA. maybe the pakistanis would joint-develop and AEAS withg china...

MIGleader said:

but can u imagine if an indian f-18 equipped with an AESA radar was shot down over kashmir and recovered by the pakistanis in good condition? it would be a disaster for india, america, and any other nation banking on the use of AESA to achieve air superiority. the technology would be invaluable to the paks and chinese. the paks would study it, then give it to the chinese. the chinese might then give it to the russians in exchange for a deal on the development of a new chinese-russian AESA. maybe the pakistanis would joint-develop and AEAS withg china...

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not really. I would think China would have developed an AESA radar by the time India starts to introduce MRCAs in 2011. AESA radar would no longer be a novelty by that time.

The word is that China definitely has developed ESA radar. Right now, the question is how long it will take them to integrate it own its frontline fighters. Some people have claimed that AESA is also getting close to finishing. Anyway, the point is that China would not need a PAF AESA radar to develop AESA.

MIGleader said:

but can u imagine if an indian f-18 equipped with an AESA radar was shot down over kashmir

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do you really think so.. ???? not unless theres a war between the two countries.
And there will be a much bigger worry in the minds of US than its AESA technology i.e. the nuke hollocaust. India is acting as a back end operations for US . a lot of US corporate interest is at stake.


even then. i dont see much of a problem in having self destruct mechanisms in planes with such sensitive technology. if they dont have it yet they should introduce it asap.

Its not really the technology issue with AESA. But the cost that is keeping many countries from getting AESA.

Each individual module cost about $1000-2000e ach. The F-22 radar has 1700 of them

Heres a picture to check out how much


In the future when the prices go down they we be deployed en mass

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If would be very un-likey that india will get F-18 or F-16s or anything else americans offer. The indians i would think are making very good use and are using this to get a better deal out of the russians. The russians need the cash for its industry which many relies on export oders to keep a float.


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Chinawhite

yeah, clearly the super hornets are the best fighters IAF is getting offered, but they are probably going to be by far the most expensive ones too. Anyhow, I'd think the ones with AESA would cost at least as much as the block 60 F-16s America sold to UAE. So, $80 million each? If you think this is outrageous. Let's be reminded of the fact that Greece spend 3.1 billion on 40 F-16CJs just a while back. We can all agree that plane is not as good of a multirole plane as a superhornet with AESA radar. If IAF is spending 5 billion on this purchase, they would then have to lower the order considerably. On the other hand, M2K9 might cost 45 million and Mig-35 is probably in the 35 million range?

tphuang said:

yeah, clearly the super hornets are the best fighters IAF is getting offered, but they are probably going to be by far the most expensive ones too. Anyhow, I'd think the ones with AESA would cost at least as much as the block 60 F-16s America sold to UAE. So, $80 million each? If you think this is outrageous. Let's be reminded of the fact that Greece spend 3.1 billion on 40 F-16CJs just a while back. We can all agree that plane is not as good of a multirole plane as a superhornet with AESA radar. If IAF is spending 5 billion on this purchase, they would then have to lower the order considerably. On the other hand, M2K9 might cost 45 million and Mig-35 is probably in the 35 million range?

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mig35 should come even cheaper.. the whole point is to produce a considerable no locally to offset the costs. And in a way part of costs will be gained by gaining technology.. via ToT( whatever be the plane).
I think the only reason india is holding the deal back is because of
US request to include its F18 ( boeing is all mad about selling to india i guess.)..
Wether this plane comes in or not we will know on nov 22 when US decided wether we get AESA or not.