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Re: South Korean AEGIS destroyer photos
or, why don't they just get two goalkeeper instead?
Also compared to Atago, I think KDX-3 looks like it has a stealthier hull, although both look kind of nasty compared to the recent European AAWs.
or, why don't they just get two goalkeeper instead?
Also compared to Atago, I think KDX-3 looks like it has a stealthier hull, although both look kind of nasty compared to the recent European AAWs.
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As to the capabilities of Atago and the KDX-III, I agree, they are both extremely capable compared to the European Horizon vessels coming out.
I have created a new site comparing all AEGIS vessels and AEGIS-like vessels here:
I believe it gives a accurate and strong comparison and analysis of the various vessles. Let me know what you think.
Except for the experience levels and the numbers of platforms when compared to the US, I would say that the new KDX-III will be the most powerful surface combatant on earth.
I believe that the one goalkeeper and the one RAM are an excellent combination. Probably as good a combo for close in defense as is available. If anything, I would have one of each fore and aft.
As to the capabilities of Atago and the KDX-III, I agree, they are both extremely capable compared to the European Horizon vessels coming out.
I have created a new site comparing all AEGIS vessels and AEGIS-like vessels here:
I believe it gives a accurate and strong comparison and analysis of the various vessles. Let me know what you think.
Except for the experience levels and the numbers of platforms when compared to the US, I would say that the new KDX-III will be the most powerful surface combatant on earth.
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Nice web site Jeff! I think your comparison charts are very fair. I think what may folks do not realize is that the USN Aegis system is all encompassing. I have to wonder how much conectivity the USN, JMSDF and SKN have with each other?
Nice web site Jeff! I think your comparison charts are very fair. I think what may folks do not realize is that the USN Aegis system is all encompassing. I have to wonder how much conectivity the USN, JMSDF and SKN have with each other?
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I think this is another very good site that you have developed and I agree with the comments made by Popeye.
To what extent are AEGIS equipped ships from one country able to work with ships of allied navies. For example, Australia is planning to acquire AEGIS equipped air warfare destroyers that will be able to co-ordinate and control missile launches from non AEGIS Australian ships. During coalition operations would a USN Burke class DDG be able to control an SM-2 or ESSM launch from an Australian frigate?
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I think this is another very good site that you have developed and I agree with the comments made by Popeye.
To what extent are AEGIS equipped ships from one country able to work with ships of allied navies. For example, Australia is planning to acquire AEGIS equipped air warfare destroyers that will be able to co-ordinate and control missile launches from non AEGIS Australian ships. During coalition operations would a USN Burke class DDG be able to control an SM-2 or ESSM launch from an Australian frigate?
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Re: South Korean AEGIS destroyer photos
I have talked to people who have said that the KIDD's capability would allow them to be controlled by US AEGIS vessels in and around Taiwan, and we know that they are capable of that becuase US AEGIS vessels had that capability while the KIDDs were in the US invenory.
So, I believe that if the nation's involved were allied in a combat situation, and if the proper command authority authorized it, that yes, AEGIS vessels from one allied nation could be in a position to provide control to other vessels that were so equipped from their own navies and to allied vessels.
My guess is that there will be some training regarding this...and that should the situation arise, cooperative battle engegements and management will be exercised.
I am personally hoping that Australia joins in on that level of technology.
There is no doubt that data linking between your own so equipped vessels will be possible. The KIDDs that the ROC is getting will be able to do that to a large extent...even without complete AEGIS.
I have talked to people who have said that the KIDD's capability would allow them to be controlled by US AEGIS vessels in and around Taiwan, and we know that they are capable of that becuase US AEGIS vessels had that capability while the KIDDs were in the US invenory.
So, I believe that if the nation's involved were allied in a combat situation, and if the proper command authority authorized it, that yes, AEGIS vessels from one allied nation could be in a position to provide control to other vessels that were so equipped from their own navies and to allied vessels.
My guess is that there will be some training regarding this...and that should the situation arise, cooperative battle engegements and management will be exercised.
I am personally hoping that Australia joins in on that level of technology.
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The ROCN has already received them, Jeff.
By the way, that was an interesting comparison on the different destroyers - thanks for that. Maybe you could add something from the Indian Navy?
The ROCN has already received them, Jeff.
By the way, that was an interesting comparison on the different destroyers - thanks for that. Maybe you could add something from the Indian Navy?
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As to the vessles of the Indian Navy on the ...I am not aware of them having a vessel that meets the criteria as set out on that site for AEGIS-like vessels, ie. containg all of the following: PARS, VLS, and a integrated, digital battle system for all battle management with cooperative engagement capability.
If they do have such a vessel, please point me to it and I will include it.
I use the term is getting to mean incorporating them into their operations. I know that the vessels have been delivered, but my understanding is that their outfitting and run up to operational capability is still ongoing. I do not believe they are operational yet. If they are, all the better for the ROCN. Those are very capable, and very critical vessels for them.The ROCN has already received them, Jeff.
By the way, that was an interesting comparison on the different destroyers - thanks for that. Maybe you could add something from the Indian Navy?
As to the vessles of the Indian Navy on the ...I am not aware of them having a vessel that meets the criteria as set out on that site for AEGIS-like vessels, ie. containg all of the following: PARS, VLS, and a integrated, digital battle system for all battle management with cooperative engagement capability.
If they do have such a vessel, please point me to it and I will include it.
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As far as I know, all the relevant work to bring them up to spec was conducted in the US before they were sent over. They have also all been commissioned.
As to the IN, I remember now their destroyers don't have VLS yet. That said the lead ship of the Kolkata-class was laid down last year and will have VLS - not sure about the other details. Maybe you should take a look.
As far as I know, all the relevant work to bring them up to spec was conducted in the US before they were sent over. They have also all been commissioned.
As to the IN, I remember now their destroyers don't have VLS yet. That said the lead ship of the Kolkata-class was laid down last year and will have VLS - not sure about the other details. Maybe you should take a look.
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Still, the KIDDs are not nearly as capable as the Korean KDX-IIIs we are talking about on this thread. I am VERY impressed with the KDX-III. I believe they will be the most powerful surface warships afloat. But just the same, the KIDDs do represent a strong respons to the Sovs of the PLAN.
When the Indians do develop an AEGIS-like vessel, using VLS, PARS, and a wholly integrated digital ballte management system capable of cooperative engagement, I will add them to the list. I think the Kolkata has the VLS covered and part of the battle management system, but not all of it, and no PARS from what I understand.
Thanks, I knew two had been commissioned in Dec 2005, and it looks like the other two were officially commissioned in Nov 2006. The first two were supposed to be in service this year, 2007. I thought the second two would be in service next year, but perhaps they have accellerated that schedule. If so...good for the ROCN. They need all four. Each should be able to carry 62 SM-IIs, they have 2 Phalanx CIWS, two 127mm guns, 8 Harpoons, 6 torpedo tubes and two helos. DIsplacement is over 9,000 tons. Very capable ships, particularly oif they included the latest US upgrades for this class radar and electronics.FuManChu said:
Still, the KIDDs are not nearly as capable as the Korean KDX-IIIs we are talking about on this thread. I am VERY impressed with the KDX-III. I believe they will be the most powerful surface warships afloat. But just the same, the KIDDs do represent a strong respons to the Sovs of the PLAN.
I have...and do not see any Indian escort vessel that contains all three, or will contain all three that is being buiilt at the current time. The first Kolkata Class destroyer was started in March 2006, to be launched in 2008, but will use Top Plate I believe and RAWL.FuManChu said:
When the Indians do develop an AEGIS-like vessel, using VLS, PARS, and a wholly integrated digital ballte management system capable of cooperative engagement, I will add them to the list. I think the Kolkata has the VLS covered and part of the battle management system, but not all of it, and no PARS from what I understand.
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