Also something to remember.
Flight III Arleigh Burke, FFG(X) and Zumwalt class are all Aegis type and not Aegis (TM) ships.
AEGIS and AEGIS Like escort combatants of the World
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Also something to remember.
Flight III Arleigh Burke, FFG(X) and Zumwalt class are all Aegis type and not Aegis (TM) ships.
AEGIS is actually a legal copyright and trademark of Lockheed Martin, and SPY-6, isn't Lockheed Martin product but a competitor's, Raytheon. Just because Raytheon is another American company doesn't give it the right to use that trademark. Hence SPY-6 is never mentioned as "AEGIS" and not even by the US Navy. Why Raytheon has to give it another name, hence AMDR. For FFG(X), the requirement is to use EADS, which is really a scaled down AMDR, and called Enterprise Air Defense System, but you can't call it AEGIS because EADS is also Raytheon's not Lockheed Martin's. So no, Flight III and FFG(X) don't use AEGIS(TM) per se. Another thing is that AMDR nor EADS should not be using the AEGIS Mk. 99 fire control system, of which the mechanical SPG-62 is part of, both AMDR and EADS should be lighting up targets for missiles using digital formed beams from a second radar as both sets are dual band. In other words, these systems are not just AEGIS-like, they are more accurately should be referred to as "Post-AEGIS".
In fact, I would think that AESA based air defense systems are more "Post-Aegis", than Aegis like, including lets say the fire control system on the RN Type 45 destroyer, the FREMM ships, the frigates with the Thales APAR.
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there's a thread cleverly named
AEGIS and AEGIS Like escort combatants of the World https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/aegis-and-aegis-like-escort-combatants-of-the-world.t6143/
so that people don't need to care about this
but now a debate taking pages and tens of hours may start, have fun LOL!
I add I realized I'd seen discussions what is, or isn't, 'AEGIS Like' too LOL
AEGIS and AEGIS Like escort combatants of the World https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/aegis-and-aegis-like-escort-combatants-of-the-world.t6143/
so that people don't need to care about this
... ....
but now a debate taking pages and tens of hours may start, have fun LOL!
I add I realized I'd seen discussions what is, or isn't, 'AEGIS Like' too LOL
Sorry EASR, not EASD, EASR stands for Enterprise Air Surveillance Radar. This is for the FFG(X), and the combat management system is called COMBATSS-21, which you can also describe as an "Aegis derivative", but all in all a new and post-AEGIS system. COMBATSS-21 is used on the LCS too.
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I believe "Aegis (TM)" refers to the combat management system.
For example, Australia's SEA 5000 frigate programme is intended to use the Aegis (TM) CMS, but that doesn't mean they will be using the entire SPY-1+Mk 99 apparatus, instead they will be using their own indigenous CEAFAR AESA radar.
So for the purposes of my description, I consider "Aegis (TM)" to refer to any ship that uses the Aegis CMS but doesn't necessarily have to use SPY-1 and Mk99 as its primary PAR and fire control system.
Putting it another way, I consider "Aegis (TM)" type ships to be one category within the "Aegis" type. All "Aegis (TM)" ships are "Aegis" ships, but not all "Aegis" ships are "Aegis (TM)," if that makes sense.
Just as how HMS Dreadnought was a single ship that caused an entire generation of battleship to be called "Dreadnoughts," the HMS Dreadnought is a "Dreadnought" but not all "Dreadnoughts" are HMS Dreadnought.
Except that Flight III, FFG(X) does not use the AEGIS CMS, they use a derivative of it, like taking a step further, called COMBATSS-21. Hence why I prefer to call it a post-AEGIS system.
Furthermore, I would think that many so called Aegis like systems and ships are actually more like post AEGIS, with the use of AESAs over PESA type PARs that allows for a higher degree of frequency and scanning agility; digitally formed beams over mechanical illumination which greatly increase the numbers of targets being targeted simultaneously; using missiles with active homing guidance, which also increases the numbers of engaged targets.
Furthermore, I would think that many so called Aegis like systems and ships are actually more like post AEGIS, with the use of AESAs over PESA type PARs that allows for a higher degree of frequency and scanning agility; digitally formed beams over mechanical illumination which greatly increase the numbers of targets being targeted simultaneously; using missiles with active homing guidance, which also increases the numbers of engaged targets.
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