Geeeeez people! We've had like what, 4 threads today that turned into country-bashing or "I don't like it when people insult my great country" relay races.
Legitimate patriotism, official facts, decent knowledge of patriotism aside, this stuff doesn't really belong on this forum.
And in addition... history is subjective. You may believe one story but it may differ from somebody else's opinion, and he/she is entitled that. If the other person's story is plain bullshit then you are obligated to call it, but simply replying, "We're a great country so you can't bash us" is not convincing. That said, let's all take a step back before yet another thread gets closed down again...
I swear, we are on a roll today, people. Accuse me of slippery slope, but the level of discussion will go down if some people aren't willing or able to have rational discussions as opposed to going 'broken record'.
That said...
Global Talk is an option... it may be a little slow, but hey, you can make it come alive. I'm fair game for discussion, if you guys want to take it up.