800+ Killed In Iraq today!!
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i do not agree with American troops being in Iraq i did not agree with operation iraqi freedom i saw that insurgency starting (but i knew the iraqi army would be uderly wiped out by the far far superior American army)American troops must pick up slack around the world to maintain a stable globe
I don't undestand why people come back to threads that haven't been brought up since August... just a thought.
And about this idea, of America being 'interventionalistic,' on what grounds do you base this opinion? If you look at every major conflict that the U.S. was involved in, the only two (that I can think of) that can possibly be thought of as interventions are Vietnam and Korea. And in both those situations we were not just intervening, the U.S. was coming to the aid of an established country and government. And as for Iraq, I don't care what ANYONE says Saddam Hussein had to be taken out of power eventually, one way or another. I say that if you want to criticize my country, criticize us for not taking him out in the first Gulf War. I am not going to say anymore because it is so far off topic.
But I will say, that I hate it when people go and criticize my government and my country and the decisions my country has made. Especially when alot of these people either don't even live in my country, or they do live in my country, but they just really don't have any idea what they are talking about. I also hate the fact that the average American has NO idea what he or her is talking about when it comes to Iraq or Afghanistan or anything similar. But these are the same people, the same average Americans that are out protesting, or are so outspoken as to how many bad decisions we've made and how much damage has been done to the civilian population, and they'll come up with some out-of-the blue statistic that is completely false, just to try and give some believablilty to thier claims, but just ends up proving thier ignorance.
No matter what anybody says, or who gets elected, the U.S. cannot just pull out of the situation they're in, simply because it would be worse than what they did to Iraq in the first place. So I just wish everyone would shut up.
I mean, excuse me but I just don't understand. What makes you think you can criticize my country? Just because we are the greatest country in the world, still? You know, it's just that you would never hear me criticize the Chinese government for how they handled the Tiananmen Square massacre, or Russia's government for how they handled Chechnya, and the Theatre and Beslan School hostage situations. So I just don't see why anyone would want to criticize my country when my countries intentions were good to begin with.
Anyway, back on topic.
And about this idea, of America being 'interventionalistic,' on what grounds do you base this opinion? If you look at every major conflict that the U.S. was involved in, the only two (that I can think of) that can possibly be thought of as interventions are Vietnam and Korea. And in both those situations we were not just intervening, the U.S. was coming to the aid of an established country and government. And as for Iraq, I don't care what ANYONE says Saddam Hussein had to be taken out of power eventually, one way or another. I say that if you want to criticize my country, criticize us for not taking him out in the first Gulf War. I am not going to say anymore because it is so far off topic.
But I will say, that I hate it when people go and criticize my government and my country and the decisions my country has made. Especially when alot of these people either don't even live in my country, or they do live in my country, but they just really don't have any idea what they are talking about. I also hate the fact that the average American has NO idea what he or her is talking about when it comes to Iraq or Afghanistan or anything similar. But these are the same people, the same average Americans that are out protesting, or are so outspoken as to how many bad decisions we've made and how much damage has been done to the civilian population, and they'll come up with some out-of-the blue statistic that is completely false, just to try and give some believablilty to thier claims, but just ends up proving thier ignorance.
No matter what anybody says, or who gets elected, the U.S. cannot just pull out of the situation they're in, simply because it would be worse than what they did to Iraq in the first place. So I just wish everyone would shut up.
I mean, excuse me but I just don't understand. What makes you think you can criticize my country? Just because we are the greatest country in the world, still? You know, it's just that you would never hear me criticize the Chinese government for how they handled the Tiananmen Square massacre, or Russia's government for how they handled Chechnya, and the Theatre and Beslan School hostage situations. So I just don't see why anyone would want to criticize my country when my countries intentions were good to begin with.
Anyway, back on topic.
But I will say, that I hate it when people go and criticize my government and my country and the decisions my country has made. Especially when alot of these people either don't even live in my country, or they do live in my country, but they just really don't have any idea what they are talking about. I also hate the fact that the average American has NO idea what he or her is talking about when it comes to Iraq or Afghanistan or anything similar. But these are the same people, the same average Americans that are out protesting, or are so outspoken as to how many bad decisions we've made and how much damage has been done to the civilian population, and they'll come up with some out-of-the blue statistic that is completely false, just to try and give some believablilty to thier claims, but just ends up proving thier ignorance.
were you re fering to me?i support america in most of its endevours i am an american and agree that the avredge american is ignorant the great generation of the 1940s is die ing most kids in my class are totally ignorrant(as i suspect is everywere) never stopping to think that they live in the greatest country in the world and as for the peaple that dis agree with america and hate it are jealous and would jump at the chance to live here what would the world have done if America had not gotten involved in ww2(perhaps the russians could have done it....)
were you re fering to me?i support america in most of its endevours i am an american and agree that the avredge american is ignorant the great generation of the 1940s is die ing most kids in my class are totally ignorrant(as i suspect is everywere) never stopping to think that they live in the greatest country in the world and as for the peaple that dis agree with america and hate it are jealous and would jump at the chance to live here what would the world have done if America had not gotten involved in ww2(perhaps the russians could have done it....)
Go research on how the US assasinated other nations' leaders and installing a pro American regime in its place. Go read on how the US brewed Al Qaeda because it helped Saddam Hussein. Go read on CIA's actions in Tibet, go read on the US invasion of Grenada. US supported coups in Venezuela and Kyrgystan.
Here's a more complete list, as of 1945-today
Late 30's until now, US aids KMT in Chinese Civil War by weapons and advisors.
1947-1949 Greece: US forces wage a 3-year counterinsurgency campaign.
1948 Italy: Heavy CIA involvement in national elections.
1948-1954 Philippines: Commando operations, "secret" CIA war.
Korean war, we all know the dates.
1953 Iran: CIA overthrows government of Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh.
Vietnam, we all know the story there.
1954 Guatemala: CIA overthrows the government of President Jacobo Arbenz Guzman.
1958 Lebanon, we all know the story here.
1959 Haiti: Marines land.
1960 Congo: CIA-backed overthrow and assassination of Prime Minister Patrice Lumumba.
1962 Cuba: (the point is not the Soviets, the point is the US placed nuclear missiles in Turkey, right in the USSR's backyard, as well.)
1962 Laos: CIA-backed military coup.
1963 Ecuador: CIA backs military overthrow of President Jose Maria Valesco Ibarra.
1964 Brazil: CIA-backed military coup overthrows the government of Joao Goulart and Gen. Castello Branco takes power.
1965 Indonesia: CIA-backed army coup overthrows President Sukarno and brings Gen. Suharto to power. (Suharto, who allowed the riots to happen and in the process thousands of ethnic Chinese died.)
1965 Congo: CIA backed military coup overthrows President Joseph Kasavubu and brings Joseph Mobutu to power.
1965 Dominican Republic: 23,000 troops land.
Bombing campaign of Laos, we all know the story here.
1966 Ghana CIA-backed military coup ousts President Kwame Nkrumah.
1966-1967 Guatemala: Extensive counter-insurgency operation.
1969-1975 Cambodia: CIA supports military coup against Prince Sihanouk, bringing Lon Nol to power. Intensive bombing for seven years along border with Vietnam.
1970 Oman: Counter-insurgency operation, including coordination with Iranian marine invasion.
1981-1992 El Salvador: CIA and special forces begin a long counterinsurgency campaign.
1983 Grenada: Military forces invade Grenada.
1986 Libya: US aircraft bomb the cities of Tripoli and Benghazi, including direct strikes at the official residence of President Muamar al Qadaffi.
1987-1988 Iran: Naval forces block Iranian shipping. Civilian airliner shot down by missile cruiser.
1989-1990 Panama: 27,000 troops as well as naval and air power used to overthrow government of President Noriega.
First Gulf War
1991 Haiti: CIA-backed military coup ousts President Jean-Bertrand Aristide.
Somalia, we know the story there.
1993-1995 Bosnia: Active military involvement with air and ground forces.
1994-1996 Haiti: Troops depose military rulers and restore President Jean-Bertrand Aristide to office.
1998 Afghanistan: Attack on targets in the country.
1999 Yugoslavia: Major involvement in NATO air strikes.
Iraq, Afghanistan
2004 Haiti Marines land. CIA-backed forces overthrow President Jean-Bertrand Aristide.
US had 700+ bases in 130 countries as of 2005.
Need I say more?
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Wikipedia also has a lot of information on these things.
The list goes on and on. You should do some research before you say anything.
Here's a more complete list, as of 1945-today
Late 30's until now, US aids KMT in Chinese Civil War by weapons and advisors.
1947-1949 Greece: US forces wage a 3-year counterinsurgency campaign.
1948 Italy: Heavy CIA involvement in national elections.
1948-1954 Philippines: Commando operations, "secret" CIA war.
Korean war, we all know the dates.
1953 Iran: CIA overthrows government of Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh.
Vietnam, we all know the story there.
1954 Guatemala: CIA overthrows the government of President Jacobo Arbenz Guzman.
1958 Lebanon, we all know the story here.
1959 Haiti: Marines land.
1960 Congo: CIA-backed overthrow and assassination of Prime Minister Patrice Lumumba.
1962 Cuba: (the point is not the Soviets, the point is the US placed nuclear missiles in Turkey, right in the USSR's backyard, as well.)
1962 Laos: CIA-backed military coup.
1963 Ecuador: CIA backs military overthrow of President Jose Maria Valesco Ibarra.
1964 Brazil: CIA-backed military coup overthrows the government of Joao Goulart and Gen. Castello Branco takes power.
1965 Indonesia: CIA-backed army coup overthrows President Sukarno and brings Gen. Suharto to power. (Suharto, who allowed the riots to happen and in the process thousands of ethnic Chinese died.)
1965 Congo: CIA backed military coup overthrows President Joseph Kasavubu and brings Joseph Mobutu to power.
1965 Dominican Republic: 23,000 troops land.
Bombing campaign of Laos, we all know the story here.
1966 Ghana CIA-backed military coup ousts President Kwame Nkrumah.
1966-1967 Guatemala: Extensive counter-insurgency operation.
1969-1975 Cambodia: CIA supports military coup against Prince Sihanouk, bringing Lon Nol to power. Intensive bombing for seven years along border with Vietnam.
1970 Oman: Counter-insurgency operation, including coordination with Iranian marine invasion.
1981-1992 El Salvador: CIA and special forces begin a long counterinsurgency campaign.
1983 Grenada: Military forces invade Grenada.
1986 Libya: US aircraft bomb the cities of Tripoli and Benghazi, including direct strikes at the official residence of President Muamar al Qadaffi.
1987-1988 Iran: Naval forces block Iranian shipping. Civilian airliner shot down by missile cruiser.
1989-1990 Panama: 27,000 troops as well as naval and air power used to overthrow government of President Noriega.
First Gulf War
1991 Haiti: CIA-backed military coup ousts President Jean-Bertrand Aristide.
Somalia, we know the story there.
1993-1995 Bosnia: Active military involvement with air and ground forces.
1994-1996 Haiti: Troops depose military rulers and restore President Jean-Bertrand Aristide to office.
1998 Afghanistan: Attack on targets in the country.
1999 Yugoslavia: Major involvement in NATO air strikes.
Iraq, Afghanistan
2004 Haiti Marines land. CIA-backed forces overthrow President Jean-Bertrand Aristide.
US had 700+ bases in 130 countries as of 2005.
Need I say more?
Source:
Wikipedia also has a lot of information on these things.
The list goes on and on. You should do some research before you say anything.
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What are you talking about?those actions and bases are needed to maintain a stable globe what about in ww2 when countries such as russia greedely snatched land while America had no taritorial ambitions and when America helps small countries that have no use to America strategically or economicallyObcession said:
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Ok, I gave a list, it's your turn now.
Hey, I admit, Russia was expansionist, that doesn't make their actions right.
Similarly, that doesn't make US's actions right.
And I suppose killing and plotting coups against other nations' governments is necessary to maintain world peace? If every nation started doing this...
And another point about it, these nations have sovereignty rights, so you can't just go in there, stage a coup, and install a pro American gov't.
Also, what the hell, what gives you the right to say that these actions are necessary to maintain a peaceful globe? You know, Russia and China could do the same thing and say it's for the good of the world. What makes you think you are the "right" (if there is such a thing as right) one and the others are not? You certainly do not have a divine duty to spread "democracy" around the world.
"What are you talking about?those actions and bases are needed to maintain a stable globe what about in ww2 when countries such as russia greedely snatched land while America had no taritorial ambitions and when America helps small countries that have no use to America strategically or economically"
Ever heard of "Manifest Destiny"? You guys wanted the whole America to yourselves, of course we (as Canadians) were pissed off.
Hey, I admit, Russia was expansionist, that doesn't make their actions right.
Similarly, that doesn't make US's actions right.
And I suppose killing and plotting coups against other nations' governments is necessary to maintain world peace? If every nation started doing this...
And another point about it, these nations have sovereignty rights, so you can't just go in there, stage a coup, and install a pro American gov't.
Also, what the hell, what gives you the right to say that these actions are necessary to maintain a peaceful globe? You know, Russia and China could do the same thing and say it's for the good of the world. What makes you think you are the "right" (if there is such a thing as right) one and the others are not? You certainly do not have a divine duty to spread "democracy" around the world.
"What are you talking about?those actions and bases are needed to maintain a stable globe what about in ww2 when countries such as russia greedely snatched land while America had no taritorial ambitions and when America helps small countries that have no use to America strategically or economically"
Ever heard of "Manifest Destiny"? You guys wanted the whole America to yourselves, of course we (as Canadians) were pissed off.
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