2025 Israel - Iranian conflict

HereToSeePics

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China is just a buzzword to these people, a New Iran would need China more

I remember that they shown Chinese anti drone laser sometime ago so their relation
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Gloire_bb

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But that doesn't mean its F-16s carrying them. I suspected F-35s and F-15s, which have longer ranges without reducing takeoff payload with drop tanks.
F-16 in shown configuration (3 big tanks, 2 bombs) can fly far. F-15 of course is much better(CFTs, 1 tank and you're good for a couple of heavy bombs + some self defense), but Israel ultimately doesn't have that many platforms to be picky.
They tried their best to cause immediate collapse(or give Trump impression that collapse is imminent, he just needs to jump in and win). This required sorties.
 
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PLAwatcher12

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War is about objectives, not optics or attempts or participation, this is something western minds just can't seem to grasp, not just in physical wars but biowars or trade wars or tech wars.
AD are there to win the war, there isn't enough AD in the world to protect every square inch against all form of attack or every individual against assassinations from every vector, but there are enough AD to protect what you need to protect when you need to protect them.

Iran lost people because of their counter-intelligence failure, not AD, at the same time Israel is begging America for help because they thought intelligence success means winning wars.

The Isreali obsession over saving face and looking strong is why they're is depleting not only their own but America's stockpile, and in the grand scheme of things is dragging down not only themselves but the entire western world which if you haven't noticed isn't in a great economic state.
Iran has zero AD systems if they have any their just refusing to use them, that’s why whatever Israel launches at Iran, it hits. Yes Israel is depleting their AD stockpile but would you rather have them not use it or use it to protect themselves
 

another505

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Iran has zero AD systems if they have any their just refusing to use them, that’s why whatever Israel launches at Iran, it hits. Yes Israel is depleting their AD stockpile but would you rather have them not use it or use it to protect themselves
How do you actually know if every Israel agm hit? Ask yourself how can you verify that besides base on vibes?
 

Gloire_bb

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Iran has zero AD systems if they have any their just refusing to use them, that’s why whatever Israel launches at Iran, it hits. Yes Israel is depleting their AD stockpile but would you rather have them not use it or use it to protect themselves
There's small chance they're waiting cleanups. Trying dispersal won't work unless Iran doesn't control it's own ground.
Even if Russia wanted to help, It’s not like they can help anyways. They need their weapons and ammo for Ukraine they can’t afford to waste it on Iran
Help, Russia can, this is a different conflict from Ukraine, needs are different.
Will Russia fight against Israel?
Nah, it's one of two friendliest western nations to Russia, among those that matter.
 

siegecrossbow

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No, I think Trump is salivating for an easy win. The Israelis have convinced him it will be quick and easy for him to attack Iran now that Israel has softened them up. US is 100% going in.

Now the question is, how Iran will respond and how China and Russia will respond now that it has become a war with US involvement. There is a chance they start supporting Iran more heavily just to cause US to fall into a quagmire. Moreover, I don't think Russia wants to lose its southern flank to US like that.

I think the show is just getting started.

Unless the U.S. commits ground troops it won’t be a quagmire.
 
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