2025 Israel - Iranian conflict

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Too much off topic, political, should-have/could-have/would-have talk that brings in China for no news worthy reason. Any non news post in this thread even containing the word "China" will be deleted.

Also, before sharing any Twitter video post, please make sure they're not AI generated (go through the comment replies on twitter if it isn't obvious)

Various derailing non-news posts mentioning China deleted and users reply banned to this thread for 12/24 hours.

Close to 50 pages have been added to this thread in the last 24 hour, all the off topic posts irrelevant to the current conflict needs to stop.
 

CMP

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Various derailing non-news posts mentioning China deleted and users reply banned to this thread for 12/24 hours.

Close to 50 pages have been added to this thread in the last 24 hour, all the off topic posts irrelevant to the current conflict needs to stop.
Can someone create a separate thread for tangentially related topics?
 

staplez

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So Iran attacks Pakistan over a year ago and now expects Pakistan to give it nukes. Am I understanding this correctly? Lol
I think you misunderstood what happened there. Both Pakistan and Iran unfortunately have actual terrorist organizations in both countries that are hard to deal with. The governments themselves don't want to deal with them for fear of a revolution. So both sides bombing the terrorists turned out to be a fantastic solution as they can blame the other side while actively doing nothing in return. You'll notice that after those strikes, terrorist attacks against Chinese citizens have stopped. It was a warning to the terrorists, not an actual conflict between Pakistan and Iran.
 

enroger

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Iran's BM's are highly likely to be using glonass, and the accuracy provided by glonass around equator varies quite heavily (revisit times optimized for Russia higher up the globe)

Some days the Iranian missiles can achieve sub meter precison, other days it is 100s of meters precisions.

Saving up bigger salvos for more precison might be a condiseration as well.

I think it's just old stuffs vs new stuffs, there's no reason they can't use beidou or gps even without mil code you can get accuracy down to sub 10m.

Iran's salvo maybe bottlenecked in number of TELs, which are being hunted. I thought they should have more silo based missiles but apparently not
 

Antey1

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Can someone create a separate thread for tangentially related topics?
It's always the same thing. Conflict starts, huge fog of war, intense misinformation, war propaganda, etc. The same people as always start drawing conclusions and not even 96h has passed. ''the future of warfare is clearly going to be like this'', ''it's incredible that this happened''... you don't even know what's actually happening. i have been following most of the 'osint' guys on twitter/telegram for the last 96h and i couldn't say anything about the state of the iranian missile arsenal, about the state of the iranian command.

''Air defense'' has been active for the last hours in tehran, israel is clearly trying to gain air dominance over iran (not overly difficult considering that iran air force is basically old F-14+domestic IADS).

The other thing is about the state of the iranian nuclear program, are underground facilites still operating? we don't know yet.

Countries tend to be very resilient, even more if you are attacking from that far and with so 'few' aircraft, yes, you can destoy most of the static facilities, after that, there is not much you can do from the air if there is not a ground force backing you up.

Iran is going to eat a lot of damage, we all know it... but they can do a lot of damage too... and after suffering damage and dealing damage...

they may have 2000+ ballistic missiles that can reach israel... and? israel can recieve damage too...

in the first 12h of the israeli attack on iran, everyone was saying... iran is over, they can't even retaliate, and they did, and everyone was again like ''we are so back''... and it's not like that!
 

enroger

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US/Israel will give Iran an ultimatum. To give up it's nuclear program or face destruction.

If Iran refuses, then I very much see the possibility of US joining this war. Israel has degraded Iran enough that it should be easy.

Iran has no Air Force. Their AD are being picked apart from both within by infiltrated forces and by SEAD/DEAD ops. It's only a matter of time before IAF achieve Air Supremacy over Iran. Right now they have Air Superiority on the western and some central parts of Iran.

Iran can't win this war because they never focused on improving the most important thing that matters in modern military, their Air Force. All they cared about were ballistic missiles. They also viewed their AD as more important than their Air Force.

I'll give Pakistan credit for not falling into this same mistake and constantly working to improve their Air Power.

Iran is rightfully paying the price for their negligent military moves. They can inflict damage to Israel but will still lose.

lol if they don't give up nukes they'll be hit hard. If they do give up nukes they'll get hit even harder. This is not about nukes, they want to do Iran in
 

doggydogdo

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No hostile fighter jets have entered Iranian airspace since Saturday, military sources confirm.

Israel enjoyed a short window of 'operational freedom' in Iran after the initial paralysis of AD, but have not entered Iran's borders since.

This is also proven by the total lack of jet footage, and the fact that all of the AD activations are light air defenses (like ZSU style pea shooters). Although, some airstrikes are still being carried out from Iraqi airspace.

Israel's main bet was on internal chaos immediately following the opening blow, which did not happen, despite a massive network of internal collaborators that was prepared for years by the Mossad.

The Israeli operation, at least the 'planned' phase, has come to an end, and they now have to adapt and improvise.
 
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