2025 Israel - Iranian conflict

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delfer

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It feels like Iran doesn’t truly want to win this. If they did, they could’ve easily done their own forms of heavy sabotage in and around Israel, or even other western countries.

Look at 9/11, and the kind of damage a small group of terrorists were able to achieve. They were intelligent, and more importantly, fiercely determined. Iran doesn’t seem to have any determination, so they will lose this.

You can have all the power in the world, but if you have no will, no motivation, you will lose.
 
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Botnet

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Kich said:
I agree with your response and that sanctions dealt them with a bad hand.

But I still feel they didn't rush enough to modernize their air force especially after helping Russia with Ukraine. They should have fast tracked the deliveries of Sukhois. It was possibly. I mean look to Ukraine for example on how quickly their F-16s got into their service.
Sure Russia needed those jets but Iran could have stipulated their exchange for Shahed drones and missiles. I mean Russia had a large number of Egyptian Su-35s sitting there that Egypt never took delivery off.

Right now, they need to realize that they can't win this. They should try to preserve the kingdom and keep what they have. Give up the nukes and live to fight another day. Hopefully modernize by then and be prepare for Round 2.

They can't win Round 1.
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They can’t modernize though. That’s the problem. As we’re seeing now, sanctions are very effective. They prevented the Iranian economy from developing, from acquiring modern military equipment, from getting chips and electronics, and this is the end result. Indigenous development under these conditions will always result in inferior and inadequate equipment. The end result is that Iran went down the path of becoming a glorified rocket and drone force at the expense of every other branch. This is the end result. There will be no “Round 2”, its do or die. Under sanctions, it’ll take years to recover from this blow, and that’s time Iran does not have. They need to establish some permanent deterrence now or the regime is finished, if not now then in the future.
 
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lube

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Botnet said:
They can’t modernize though. That’s the problem. As we’re seeing now, sanctions are very effective. They prevented the Iranian economy from developing, from acquiring modern military equipment, from getting chips and electronics, and this is the end result. Indigenous development under these conditions will always result in inferior and inadequate equipment. The end result is that Iran went down the path of becoming a glorified rocket and drone force at the expense of every other branch. This is the end result. There will be no “Round 2”, its do or die. Under sanctions, it’ll take years to recover from this blow, and that’s time Iran does not have. They need to establish some permanent deterrence now or the regime is finished, if not now then in the future.
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Yeah, don't understand why people are saying Iran should give up their nuclear program now, total capitulation for ???
Unless it's just concern trolling.

There's no coherent long term strategy in capitulation for Iran other than 'surviving'. And by surviving, it really means pro-West Iranian politicians and leaders hoping to get a chunk of the newly unlocked bribe money like in Syria.
 
FairAndUnbiased

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Kich said:
I agree with your response and that sanctions dealt them with a bad hand.

But I still feel they didn't rush enough to modernize their air force especially after helping Russia with Ukraine. They should have fast tracked the deliveries of Sukhois. It was possibly. I mean look to Ukraine for example on how quickly their F-16s got into their service.
Sure Russia needed those jets but Iran could have stipulated their exchange for Shahed drones and missiles. I mean Russia had a large number of Egyptian Su-35s sitting there that Egypt never took delivery off.

Right now, they need to realize that they can't win this. They should try to preserve the kingdom and keep what they have. Give up the nukes and live to fight another day. Hopefully modernize by then and be prepare for Round 2.

They can't win Round 1.
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If they give up what little nuclear capability they have, its over. There won't be a round 2. Surrendering does not mean that the other side is obligated to accept your surrender.

Israel can just say no, its a trick, they're hiding something. Proof: US did that to Libya, Iraq and Syria.

What you cannot secure on the battlefield you probably won't get diplomatically either. If Iran can't secure its existence on the battlefield, right now, then it can't negotiate for its own existence either.
 
FairAndUnbiased

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delfer said:
It feels like Iran doesn’t truly want to win this. If they did, they could’ve easily done their own forms of heavy sabotage in and around Israel, or even other western countries.

Look at 9/11, and the kind of damage a small group of terrorists were able to achieve. They were intelligent, and more importantly, fiercely determined. Iran doesn’t seem to have any determination, so they will lose this.

You can have all the power in the world, but if you have no will, no motivation, you will lose.
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When they abandoned Hezbollah, they gave up ground force power projection. If you don't have a ground force that can reach the enemy, and you have a weaker air force and navy, you rely on missiles alone.
 
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