2025 Israel - Iranian conflict

Mmmeeeto

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Iran state news:
The Zionist entity's military command, in a schedule issued several days after the assassinations in Iran, included the phrase "killed" under Admiral Shamkhani's picture. However, today, after Mr. Shamkhani attended the funeral ceremony for the martyrs of Iran's power, the military command quickly removed this phrase, acknowledging its failure to assassinate him.
 

Sinnavuuty

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Those circles are massive simplifications since the mountains block radar coverage.
Every SAM unit takes this into account when positioning its radars and launchers in the best position that gives the maximum achievable performance, so I believe that Iran would have positioned radars and launchers on high ground, but of course there would be some limitation because of the various mountains.
 

Sinnavuuty

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Found an approximate map for the total Iranian SAM coverage as of April 2025. I could definitely see some blindspots within the coverage tbh.

(For anyone curious, that blue square on the western side was mentioned as the blindspot of the IADS cover).

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If this data is true, there is a clear attempt at Iranian denial and anti-access in the northern and northwestern part of the country, the western part is much less dense in SAMs and that is why Israel was able to establish an air corridor to Isfahan. Furthermore, all SEAD/DEAD was concentrated in two regions highly concentrated in SAMs and even so, Israel was able to establish air superiority, at least over the northwestern part. The lack of long-range SAMs seems to be a clear problem for Iran, considering the graph.
 

Sinnavuuty

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The recent actions by Mossad have shown the need to review an entire doctrine of protective perimeter security around radars and launchers, establishing a prohibited radius of several kilometers under constant ground patrol and anti-drone systems. Yes, we are talking about a modernization of the Western air defense doctrine utilized by countries in the region, including Saudi Arabia.

The operational model executed by Mossad could potentially be explored in other conflicts by other intelligence agencies, mercenaries, and guerrilla groups.
What I find bizarre is the way they portray the events in Ukraine and now Israel.

First it was Ukraine that used civilian trucks armed with drones to kill the Russian bomber fleet in an asymmetric action that makes the nature of the war more complicated.

Then it was Israel using the same tactic employed against Iran to destroy radars and mobile missile launchers, yet it is the West that needs a doctrinal overhaul because its enemies can use this as a tool in war, while the collective West is using these same asymmetric tactics against its enemies.

Those who need a modernization in air defense doctrine are the enemies of the collective West, because it is quite clear who is trying to change the nature of conventional warfare, moving away from conventional and making it more asymmetric.
 

tankphobia

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Considering Persian incompetence and arrogance, I'm not that optimistic.
The last thing any self respecting Chinese would want to see is HD Israeli footage of j-10s getting blown up on the tarmac via drone strike like the F-14 and cobras.

There isn't much that intersects in the three circles of China willing to offer, will meaningfully change power balance between Israel and iran and no big loss if captured/sample sent to the West.

A nuclear Iran is really only GOOD for Iran. It's an outcome neither Russia nor China is especially keen on.
 

AssassinsMace

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Sometimes it sounds like a bunch sleeper agents have been activated in here. Yeah Israel’s military is stronger than Iran’s but they scored some points that did their due to Israel and the West. Seeing a modern Western city being struck by missiles makes them think about it even with all that protection. You don’t know what damage was inflicted because Israel is keeping a lid on it just like after all these years, Israel hasn’t admitted that their modern day Sa’ar 5 got hit and killed at least one of its crew. Are you really going to believe that footage of Israel destroying the F-14? You saw an explosion but the plane didn’t move or fly apart not even collapse. Even Americans are questioning that one. They all lie.

Israel said that all missiles were intercepted during last year’s conflict with Iran. Does anyone still believe that? The only difference was Iran didn’t seem to target civilian areas that much during that one.

Trump getting angry because Iran is going against his lies… Just because he expects Americans to believe in his lies, it doesn’t mean people who he sees as his enemies have to. This is what I mean when Americans want to control literally everything. They want to control people down to their thoughts. And you think those type of people believe in democracy?
 

CMP

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I heard Iran use the Beidou satellite to guide their missiles? obviously they didnt use GPS
The US military uses beidou for navigation. You get better accuracy and reliability by using every available option at the same time, GPS, Beidou, Glonass, etc. I remember reading a military or former US military person write an article on this subject. Apparently the military has discussed the issue extensively with Congress and the consensus from a purely technical perspective is that it's completely safe to do so and improves performance.

I also remember reading the US military has a waiver from Congress to use Huawei gear on the basis that it is important for national security. Why? My guess is because it's more secure (hack resistant maybe?) and reliable than Cisco. I wonder if it's also possible they use it for 4G and 5G instead of Nokia/Ericsson.
 
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