2025 Israel - Iranian conflict

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Holy mother.

could be the system was hacked? Or the Iranians are using some countermeasures in their missiles to confuse the interceptors?

Nothing remotely as sophisticated or complicated.

Those are Iron Dome interceptors, which have a minimum change of actually successfully intercepting a ballistic missile.

Even the Israelis realise this, which is why the Iron Dome is firing in a spread pattern and in multiple waves. Such firings are essentially performative, with putting up a show being the primary objective instead of expecting to actually hit anything, so in essence isn’t that different from Iraqi or Iranian AAA blasting away wildly into the night sky.

Indeed, if it does transpire later that Iran can still fire much larger waves of missiles but is choosing not to do so in favour of small scale launches, one of the reasons may well be that Iron Dome intercept rates increases the more ballistic missiles you fire, especially at a single or closely packed group of targets. It’s just maths and probability, if the Israelis are just spamming Iron Dome missiles into the air, the more incoming ballistic missiles the more Iron Dome interceptors in the air, and the greater the odds one of the Interceptors comes close enough to a ballistic missile to be able to actually intercept it.

Other factors could also influence Iranian decisions to fire smaller salvos, for example, smaller salvos means fewer launchers, which might significantly reduce the risk of launchers being detected and destroyed by Israeli air power.
 

FairAndUnbiased

Brigadier
Registered Member
GBU-57 can only be dropped by B-2

B-2 would be cruising at both 10+ KM and also 10KM away for the drop, so overall distance is actually atleast 14.14KM hence without any flukes there's no way it could get detected. Also do Iran even have any decent AA system that isn't the S-300 which if I recall correctly got drone striked awhile back. I doubt they'd send in B-2 without heavy EW coverage as well, which will further hamper with radar operation especially these outdated systems.

They could've just chosen a cloudy day with bad weather to hamper visual/IR guidance/search systems. B-2 also is significantly stealthier than your average aircraft in the IR spectrum.

IMO the only realistic way to stop a GBU attack is to jam GPS in the region hence thwarting precision strike capability.
The SAM system isn't right on top of the target. It is usually a offset in a ring with multiple launchers and radars. Another problem is that the B-2 outranges its escorts, so the escorts need to tank up or carry external tanks. Fordow is located in the middle of Iran, reducing the sortie rate and combat endurance time of any escorts which will need to tank up even to reach Iranian borders if they don't want to deploy to vulnerable Gulf bases or bring carriers into the confined Gulf; they'll be sticking to the Arabian Sea and bases in Cyprus. These escorts need to be F-35Cs, not F-18s, since Iran's air defense isn't totally suppressed yet.

Iran does have a reverse engineered S-300 with 300 km range:
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Also has an IR video guided HQ-7 copy. Unlike auto guided systems, its alot harder to trick the logic of a guy who is staring at a targeting screen from a bunker.

Picking a bad weather day just gives more time for enrichment and a sprint to happen. Wouldn't it suck to strike the enrichment plant after everything is done and the warheads are already being packaged?

Its alot more complicated than B-2, go.
 

xyz4321

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More MOSSAD agents' equipment found
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More footage of Tel Aviv attack aftermath. That actually is ALOT of damage.
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Thermal footage if IDF Eitan drone intercepted
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US evacuated Qatar AFB
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Iran claimed to have launched the Sejjil MRBM.
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Proton

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Nothing remotely as sophisticated or complicated.

Those are Iron Dome interceptors, which have a minimum change of actually successfully intercepting a ballistic missile.

Even the Israelis realise this, which is why the Iron Dome is firing in a spread pattern and in multiple waves. Such firings are essentially performative, with putting up a show being the primary objective instead of expecting to actually hit anything, so in essence isn’t that different from Iraqi or Iranian AAA blasting away wildly into the night sky.

Indeed, if it does transpire later that Iran can still fire much larger waves of missiles but is choosing not to do so in favour of small scale launches, one of the reasons may well be that Iron Dome intercept rates increases the more ballistic missiles you fire, especially at a single or closely packed group of targets. It’s just maths and probability, if the Israelis are just spamming Iron Dome missiles into the air, the more incoming ballistic missiles the more Iron Dome interceptors in the air, and the greater the odds one of the Interceptors comes close enough to a ballistic missile to be able to actually intercept it.

Other factors could also influence Iranian decisions to fire smaller salvos, for example, smaller salvos means fewer launchers, which might significantly reduce the risk of launchers being detected and destroyed by Israeli air power.
Doesn't 6+6 interceptors imply Patriot launchers?
Iron Dome has 20 missiles per launcher, no?

Either way Iron Dome is more of a propaganda concept than a real weapons system. Qassam rockets have like 0.1% chance of doing significant damage, it doesn't need to be effective. The main point of the system is to be directed towards uninhabited (By Israelis) areas and all missiles explode where they can do no damage.
 
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