2025 Israel - Iranian conflict

CaribouTruth

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FAFO.

Israel hit hospitals and the Red Crescent HQ in Tehran yesterday.

Iran is still doing tit for tat.
Ballistic missiles show their true size at daytime
Same effect as a 2000 lb jdam
Massive effects unfortunately to a hospital
After Israel has blown up every single hospital in Gaza without so much as a peep from the civilized west, I can't particularly care that this Israeli hospital got blown up. There will be a lot of crying in the media about this I'm sure.
 

texx1

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Sounds like a bait and switch. Get him to bite by selling him on the bunker buster, then he has no choice but to commit to the so-called "entire plan". Anyone taking odds on whether the "entire plan" involves long-term occupation and fighting insurgencies? There is oil and gas to be had, and a lot of money for contractors to make from it. Strategist doesn't want more middle east occupations but military industrial complex says you must have it.

Given the isolationist MAGA’s opposition against foreign adventures in Middle East, Trump would want the Iran operation to be short and sweet. Hence, Trump wouldn’t send large scale US ground troops into Iran. Commando raids might be undertaken with Israeli Special Forces under properly established air dominance.

US would restrict itself to bombing nuclear facilities, remaining Iranian military and state security sites (to diminish IRGC further). In case of Iranian retaliation against oil gas targets in Gulf countries, US would bomb Iranian oil gas and other civilian infrastructures in return. US planners would probably hope the resulting chaos could allow domestic oppositions to seize control or at the very least for moderates to negotiate a new deal.

As for Military industrial complex, I don’t think they hold great influence over MAGAs as supposed to traditional republicans. Politically, Trump is an anti-establishment figure. He did not shy away from attacking Dick Cheney, a quintessential MIC republican. He also fired a bunch of generals and put his royalists into the pentagon.

Besides, Trump has tech bros on his side. With the control of social media algorithms, tech bros can influence public opinions/votes far more directly than MIC. Trump can afford to piss MIC off a little on Iran especially after giving MIC a large military budget increase in his “big beautiful bill”.
 
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tokenanalyst

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FAFO.

Israel hit hospitals and the Red Crescent HQ in Tehran yesterday.

Iran is still doing tit for tat.
A lot of eye per eye attacks by the Iranians. If that is true, then Iranian missiles are way more accurate than the consensus. The thinking is that CEP of these is 1km but with these videos I they have been hitting building more often than not, including valuable targets like the Mossad building, the refinery in Haifa<another revenge attack>, Rafael factories and that research institute as a revenge for Israel attack of a Iranian university.
 

Tomboy

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If it’s dropped by a B-2 it’s very unlikely it gets shot down, the B-2 is stealth and to my knowledge Iran has zero stealth radars capable of tracking them. Now if it’s dropped by a B-52 it’s more likely to be shot down but if it’s flying with F-35s the F-35s can shoot down the AD systems
GBU-57 can only be dropped by B-2
It's a 10 km range weapon. Its not 1991 anymore, something of that kind of poor kinematics moving into knife fight range isn't surprising anymore.

If the B-2 was launching standoff missiles yeah it will never get shot down. But this isn't a standoff missile.

Detection range is proportional to 4th root of RCS.

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Even a 10^-6 RCS improvement (1 million times smaller RCS than baseline) reduces detection range to 3% of baseline. Say from 300 km against unstealthy targets to 9 km. Right inside the bunker buster drop radius.
B-2 would be cruising at both 10+ KM and also 10KM away for the drop, so overall distance is actually atleast 14.14KM hence without any flukes there's no way it could get detected. Also do Iran even have any decent AA system that isn't the S-300 which if I recall correctly got drone striked awhile back. I doubt they'd send in B-2 without heavy EW coverage as well, which will further hamper with radar operation especially these outdated systems.
AD systems that use visual target tracking do exist, and are the best type to use against stealth aircraft. Stealth craft may be invisible in terms of radar, but they’re not actually invisible in reality.

Plus, we don’t know what kind of radars Iran may have in its possession, even if in limited numbers; these are things that are usually kept secret until the last moment.
They could've just chosen a cloudy day with bad weather to hamper visual/IR guidance/search systems. B-2 also is significantly stealthier than your average aircraft in the IR spectrum.

IMO the only realistic way to stop a GBU attack is to jam GPS in the region hence thwarting precision strike capability.
 
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