2019 India-Pakistani border clash

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maint1234

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Mohsin77 said:
I can't find that button lolz.

Let me try this instead: @maint1234 , dude, if you want to discuss history, foreign policy and general geopolitics, please start a new thread in the appropriate subsection, and I'll be happy to tackle your complaints towards Pakistan there. But this thread is about the Border Clash in Feb, specifically the tactical picture.
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I am just replying to your valuable inputs.
I am glad that you are trying the time tested Pakistani technique of "if you can't convince them make them disappear ".
Taken a leaf out of Baghdad Bob 2 I guess.
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"TV shows must seek clearance from ISPR before inviting retd military officers: Pemra"
The Pakistan Electronic Media Regulatory Authority (Pemra) has instructed all television channels to seek prior clearance from Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) before inviting retired military officers on news and current affairs programmes "to solicit their views on matters of national security".

The media regulator, in a notification dated April 4 (Thursday), stated that "concerned quarters" have observed that retired military officers, when invited on TV programmes, "are usually not fully conversant with the latest defence and security developments due to their service background and post-retirement time".

Pemra further noted that discussions featuring such retired personnel "mostly switch from security matters to politics, which inadvertently embroils military officers into political debate" — a situation it described as "undesirable"."

Only the ispr dictated narrative is allowed in Islamic Republic of Pakistan.
While in India the sitting PM is repeatedly called all sorts of abuses and no one mentions censorship.
 
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maint1234 said:
I am just replying to your valuable inputs.
I am glad that you are trying the time tested Pakistani technique of "if you can't convince them make them disappear ".
Taken a leaf out of Baghdad Bob 2 I guess.
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"TV shows must seek clearance from ISPR before inviting retd military officers: Pemra"
The Pakistan Electronic Media Regulatory Authority (Pemra) has instructed all television channels to seek prior clearance from Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) before inviting retired military officers on news and current affairs programmes "to solicit their views on matters of national security".

The media regulator, in a notification dated April 4 (Thursday), stated that "concerned quarters" have observed that retired military officers, when invited on TV programmes, "are usually not fully conversant with the latest defence and security developments due to their service background and post-retirement time".

Pemra further noted that discussions featuring such retired personnel "mostly switch from security matters to politics, which inadvertently embroils military officers into political debate" — a situation it described as "undesirable"."

Only the ispr dictated narrative is allowed in Islamic Republic of Pakistan.
While in India the sitting PM is repeatedly called all sorts of abuses and no one mentions censorship.
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Why don’t u reply to the post on the satellite imagery analysis? You want to make posts that you don’t agree with disappear?
 
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Mohsin77 said:
This is the best technical analysis of the satt images and the overall strike I've encountered so far. Makes one appreciate the difficulty of pulling off a "precision strike" even with the tools available.
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Seeing your appreciation, you seem to be a expert in satellite data analytics.

localizer said:
Why don’t u reply to the post on the satellite imagery analysis? You want to make posts that you don’t agree with
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Have read the link. It speaks about American and haha "Australian" expertise in GPS targeting. Granted the Americans have expertise but don't remember the Aussies having any such expertise or experience. Satellites can be easily fooled. These bombs are meant to take out the targets at a 60 deg angle. The bombs don't come at a shallow angle that the height would be important. All the hogwash about height, etc they have written is not convincing.
I would rather the media, even Pakistani , get open ground access to the madrassa and deliver their verdict. Why defer to the white man's opinion ?
 
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localizer said:
Why don’t u reply to the post on the satellite imagery analysis? You want to make posts that you don’t agree with disappear?
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If you are seriously interested,go through the link. And you will find the difference between armchair experts from Australia and actual domain experts.
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maint1234 said:
Seeing your appreciation, you seem to be a expert in satellite data analytics.
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No, but I am an expert in detecting BS. Here's the difference between your source and Brumbys:

Brumby's source starts with the evidence i.e. satt pics of the impact craters and the undamaged target buildings. It then proceeds to draw a technical conclusion to explain how/why the bombs could have missed those intended targets.

Your source starts by assuming its conclusion is true, i.e. that the bombs hit their targets. It provides no actual evidence to prove the premise is true, because the premise, is your conclusion. This is known as circular reasoning, and it is a logical fallacy.

Remember when I told you "have fun running in circles" ? This is what I meant. But hey, at least you are attempting to address the issue directly. I'd say you're making progress. Good for you buddy.
 
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Mohsin77 said:
No, but I am an expert in detecting BS. Here's the difference between your source and Brumbys:

Brumby's source starts with the evidence i.e. satt pics of the impact craters and the undamaged target buildings. It then proceeds to draw a technical conclusion to explain how/why the bombs could have missed those intended targets.

Your source starts by assuming its conclusion is true, i.e. that the bombs hit their targets. It provides no actual evidence to prove the premise is true, because the premise, is your conclusion. This is known as circular reasoning, and it is a logical fallacy.

Remember when I told you "have fun running in circles" ? This is what I meant. But hey, at least you are attempting to address the issue directly. I'd say you're making progress. Good for you buddy.
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Typical..
Guess since my ban is taking some time, name calling is your only option.
Carry on.
 
manqiangrexue

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maint1234 said:
Civilized countries don't pursue blatant terrorism against all its neighbours like Pakistan does against all its neighbours India , Afghanistan and even Iran.
And as pointed out by your minister,though India violated Pakistan's territory, not even one country condemned India. Even your deeper than ocean friend didn't condemn India. On the contrary countries like Australia took India's side in their official statement. This is the image of Pakistan in the world.
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I don't know what you're talking about. I don't see anybody on India's "side." Cite the articles if you make a claim. You see everyone here from every nationality other than Indian knows that Pakistan defended itself brilliantly against a bungled Indian attack. Pakistan's image was bolstered by this ordeal, showing not only restrain but also combat prowess when called on. India on the other hand showed reckless aggression and incompetence in battle.

If you have a complaint about terrorism, gather your evidence (a concept you clearly don't understand) , bring it to the UN and see what legal steps the international community takes. Take matters into your own hands and this is the result: all Indian losses, no Pakistani ones. And this was what you could achieve by attacking them at total surprise. Now they are alerted. Next time, it will be much worse for you.
 
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kwaigonegin

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maint1234 said:
Seeing your appreciation, you seem to be a expert in satellite data analytics.


Have read the link. It speaks about American and haha "Australian" expertise in GPS targeting. Granted the Americans have expertise but don't remember the Aussies having any such expertise or experience. Satellites can be easily fooled. These bombs are meant to take out the targets at a 60 deg angle. The bombs don't come at a shallow angle that the height would be important. All the hogwash about height, etc they have written is not convincing.
I would rather the media, even Pakistani , get open ground access to the madrassa and deliver their verdict. Why defer to the white man's opinion ?
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ok i think it's quite obvious maint1234 is a troll.
 
kwaigonegin

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localizer said:
lHe’s not
If you look at the other forums, he’s actually one of the more tame ones that doesn’t start calling people porkis and chinis
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To me he is even if he doesn't caricaturizes or name call those he disagrees with. Maybe he is a polite, unobnoxious troll but a troll he still is.
A troll is someone that doesn't add any value to the discussion and enjoys arguing just for the sake of arguing offering very little in counter evidence and common sense and harping on points that has very little to no relevance to the scope of things.

A troll is also someone that when presented with facts resorts to 'offering' defensive strawman arguments or claiming conspiracy when none exists and drumming up past events which has no relevance to the current discussion.
 
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