2014 Ukrainian Maidan Revolt: News, Views, Photos & Videos

TerraN_EmpirE said:

Pro Russian parties would argue that since the Keiv protesters did not do let Yanokovich serve out his term, and then vote him out. Then they would have the same right to do as they please now.

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Except that Yanokovich was impeached and then fled the country. If the pro-Russians could get the acting president impeached because he broke the law, fine. But just because the guy you voted for got kicked out of power doesn't mean you can personally break into police stations and start looting guns.

Not that I am suggesting you hold this position, of course.

Mr T said:

Why is it that these pro-Russian thugs are unable to take their grievances to the ballot-box?

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You supported maidan protesters but call pro-Russian protesters "thugs". It's called double standards. Maidan protesters didn't wait for elections.

Mr T said:

Except that Yanokovich was impeached and then fled the country.

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He was not impeached. He was forced to fled the country. There were threats against him.

Even solders sent by current "government" in Kiev from western Ukraine to suppress protest in Yugovostok (eastern Ukraine) refuses to obey orders to suppress protests.
[video=youtube_share;dwhErv6Wujc]http://youtu.be/dwhErv6Wujc[/video]

Current "government" in Kiev is not popular in Yugovostok.
[video=youtube_share;T-wx2nPdlu8]http://youtu.be/T-wx2nPdlu8[/video]
These people are not going to back down. Will current "government" in Kiev shed blood. Only time will tell.

As you can see Mr T, my prediction has come true. ^ ^ ^
The sequence of events makes it particularly hard to justify. the street protests, the counter reaction the deaths on both sides. The breakdown in command, Yanokovich either Yanked from Kiev by FSB or fleeing like a spoiled child to Mother Russia. Then the reformation of the government (which pro Russian parties don't recognize) then the official impeachment (which pro Russian parties also does not recognize). The Russian annexing of Crimea was played out to a script. Now other parts of the nation are going to be played through a similar script. Putin and the FSB no doubt figured out that we could tell Russia troops and equipment, He knows he can't openly arm rebels in Eastern and Southern Ukraine, so its likely he has FSB advisers embedded with said groups likely to have all the details and plans of Ukrainian weapons dispersion across the whole of Ukraine. The operation we saw in Jura's video was text book, intimidation and civilian manipulation. Had the guards at the building fired on the Pro Russian Militia they would have scattered and let the civilians behind them take the losses. Which would have then been broadcast from RT and Russian TV as well as posted to Social media. From Youtube to Facebook to Twitter to Weibo had the pro Russians opened fire, and they did we would have seen what we saw discipline. And not a single corpse. They are running a propaganda war.

personally I am afraid its past time the maps got edited on this one.

TerraN_EmpirE said:

As you can see Mr T, my prediction has come true. ^ ^ ^

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You are really wasting your time on this board...

Perfect knowledge of Russia without a capability of even introducing yourself in Russian.

There is precious little between what the pro-Russian demonstrators are doing now compared to what the anti-Russian protestors did in Kiev. And that is a very deliberate decision taken by Putin to give America and the west a taste of its own medicine.

The only really significant difference is the pro-Russian protestors didn't firebomb police and send them to hospital or the morge by the dozen as the 'peaceful' Maidan protesters did long before the snipers came out (and even the Estonian ambassador voiced serious concerns that those snipers were not police snipers, and who also murdered police officers with the same guns). Yes, its the pro-Russian lot are the 'thugs'. :rolleyese:

Anyone who finds their nose bent seriously out of shape by the recent actions of the pro-Russian demonstrators should either own up to their clear bias, or they should take a long hard look at what the Maiden thugs did and re-examine their moral campus and/or their information source to see how they could have such contrasting reactions to mirror image events.

Actually, I think that risk of full scale civil war is fairly low for now. Current government in Kiev, beside being illegal is also more and more illegitimate. Instead of improving economic situation, things are going rapidly for the worse. Ukrainians in central and western Ukraine may not like Russia very much, but they are not going to get themselves killed for the likes of Turchinov and his lot. As for Ukrainian military, chronically low morale and confusion still reigns supreme among ranks . In fact, current government could rely only on some police units and alleged mercenaries. Therefore, as long as pro-Russian forces remain in parts of Ukraine where they have support, there is very little Kiev government could do.

Someone must be getting pretty desperate to try to use the China card to get the Russians to surrender on Ukraine.

Some in the press have begun to suspect the snipers in the Maidan square were in fact members of the Ukrainian security services "C" unit a counter terrorist unit formed along the lines of the Russian FSB's Alpha group. They point to photograph's taken outside the security forces headquarters a near two blocks from the square that show C gearing up. And a number of safes being moved out later in the day. Its still open to debate who killed who there wolf. We do know that there were guns everywhere.

TerraN_EmpirE said:

The sequence of events makes it particularly hard to justify. the street protests, the counter reaction the deaths on both sides. The breakdown in command, Yanokovich either Yanked from Kiev by FSB or fleeing like a spoiled child to Mother Russia.

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It's the US which started all this mess. The US had interest in instigating violence in Ukraine during Sochi Olympics in Russia. The US helped overthrow democratically elected government of Yanukovich. List of democratically elected governments overthrown by the US is very long.
And now US propaganda claim that Russia is responsible for all this mess. It's nor Russia. It's the US.
In fact there are some similarities between US-led coup d’état against democratically elected government in Iran in 1953 and US-led coup d’état against democratically elected government in Ukraine in 2014.

Piotr said:

You supported maidan protesters but call pro-Russian protesters "thugs".

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I don't recall Maidan looting police stations for weapons or asking a foreign nation to invade the country.

He was not impeached.

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Seems like he was, unless you want to claim the South China Morning Post was involved in some sort of conspiracy to misreport what happened.