2014 Ukrainian Maidan Revolt: News, Views, Photos & Videos

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Miragedriver

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Eastern Ukraine referendum 'not an escalation' in crisis

The pro-Russian leadership in the Donetsk region of Ukraine announced an 89pc vote in favour of self-rule with a 75pc turnout

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Eastern Ukrainians in Donetsk voted 89pc in favour of self-rule on Sunday in a referendum condemned as an illegal “farce” by Oleksander Turchynov, the acting president of Ukraine.
Benoit Anne, emerging markets analyst at Societe Generale, said the news is not "a sign of escalation" in the Ukraine crisis.
He also discussed further sanctions against Russiaand emerging market investment strategy.
 

Miragedriver

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EU increases Russian sanctions

EU Delegation to Russia Head Vygaudas Usackas discusses the latest round of sanctions against Russia and the possibility of harsher ones to follow

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AP-European Union foreign ministers have added 13 people to their visa ban and asset freeze list over the crisis in Ukraine, but are not expected to decide whether to impose tough economic measures on Russia before Ukraine's May 25 elections, officials said.

The 28 EU ministers also said in a statement that two firms in Russia-annexed Crimea would be hit with asset freezes.
The ministers agreed to expand the scope of visa bans and asset freezes to target people undermining stability in Ukraine or obstructing international organisations there.
 

texx1

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Looks like the US is not going to give up on Ukraine any time soon since Joe Biden's family now has a personal stake in the country. Burisma Holding, the largest Ukraine private gas producer has hired US vice-president Joe Biden's son R. Hunter Biden as a director in charge of the holding's legal unit.

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One does benefit from spreading freedom and democracy.
 
If confirmed, this would be the biggest military encounter of the Ukrainian Civil War so far: According to Central European,
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servers, Ukrainian convoy was ambushed near Oktyabrske, close to Slavyansk:
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(there are several places by that name, I think the map shows the correct one)
At Least Six Ukrainian Soldiers KIA

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I just noticed CNN regurgitated:
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Looks like the US is not going to give up on Ukraine any time soon since Joe Biden's family now has a personal stake in the country. Burisma Holding, the largest Ukraine private gas producer has hired US vice-president Joe Biden's son R. Hunter Biden as a director in charge of the holding's legal unit.

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One does benefit from spreading freedom and democracy.

just a coincidence, texx1, no connection whatsoever LOL
 

delft

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I heard a radio station say today that Russia is instituting one sanction against the US: rocket motors for US military satellite launches won't be provided in future. I assume these are the motors for Atlas V rockets. I understand the US isn't yet able to produce similar motors although these motors were designed nearly fifty years ago.
 

Equation

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I heard a radio station say today that Russia is instituting one sanction against the US: rocket motors for US military satellite launches won't be provided in future. I assume these are the motors for Atlas V rockets. I understand the US isn't yet able to produce similar motors although these motors were designed nearly fifty years ago.

That could be true. That would spell trouble for future launches for the Delta rockets. Here's an article about it. Sorry to be slightly OT.

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia will bar the United States from using Russian-made rocket engines for military satellite launches, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said on Tuesday, retaliating for sanctions on high-tech equipment which Washington has imposed over the Ukraine crisis.

He also said Russia would reject a U.S. request to prolong the use of the International Space Station beyond 2020.

Russia pledged to respond in kind when the United States said last month that it would deny export licenses for any high-technology items that could aid Russian military capabilities and would revoke existing licenses.

Moscow's measures would affect MK-33 and RD-180 engines which Russia supplies to the United States, Rogozin told a news conference. "We are ready to deliver these engines but on one condition that they will not be used to launch military satellites," he said.

Washington wants to keep the International Space Station, a $100 billion orbital outpost that is a project of 15 nations and a showcase of Russian-U.S. cooperation, flying until at least 2024, four years beyond the previous target.

In spite of differences on foreign policy and security matters, Washington and Moscow have cooperated extensively on space exploration. Russian Soyuz spacecraft are the only way astronauts can get to the space station, whose crews include both Americans and Russians.

Rogozin also said Russia will suspend the operation of GPS satellite navigation system sites in Russia from June and seek talks with Washington on opening similar sites in the United States for Russia's own system, Glonass.

He threatened the permanent closure of the GPS sites in Russia if that is not agreed by September.

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texx1

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just a coincidence, texx1, no connection whatsoever LOL

Could very well be a coincidence. However, it's just the timing of which seemed to be very convenient especially with Gazprom threatening to cut off gas and Ukraine needing bailout and political support from United States and EU. Still it's an interesting piece of information to share. :)
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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I just read on the site of my favorite radio station that Gazprom will end the supply of gas to Ukraine on June 3 unless Kiev pays the $3.5b due no later than June 2. It can pay because it just received $3.4b from IMF. :)
Those two Eastern provinces will hope that they are on the other side of the border by then.
Okay here's the Deal, Russia and the Ukraine in the 1990's signed a contract where in the Russians supply the gas the Ukrainians are granted a credit line. Now form time to time the Russians like your local gas or Electric company have turned off the Gas when the Ukrainians have skipped a few bills. Now because of current events and the failure of the Ukrainian Economy the Russians are now evoking a clause in there agreement. where in if they go too far into debt the Ukrainians would be placed in essence on a prepaid program. where in Every month the Ukraine would have to give Russia a set amount for it's gas supply.

I heard a radio station say today that Russia is instituting one sanction against the US: rocket motors for US military satellite launches won't be provided in future. I assume these are the motors for Atlas V rockets. I understand the US isn't yet able to produce similar motors although these motors were designed nearly fifty years ago.
Okay different issue years ago in the 1990's General Dynamics Space Systems Division made a call. they were contracted for the then upcoming Atlas III rocket system and as part of it they needed bigger engines. the decision was made to buy them from the Russians
The Berlin wall had fallen and the Russians were in bad shape the choice was made to partner with the Cosmonauts in the hopes that by doing so they could make a ally of Russia.
The choice however has had a cost. It's long been argued by many as a potential opening for theses very issues. in fact there was recently a injunction filed by SpaceX pointing this possibility out. now this will hit the Air force hard short term but the US is a unique case in space launches. as We have alternatives the Delta IV rocket system is actually just a little bigger (8,600-22,560 kg to LEO vs Atlas V's 9,800–18,810 kg) but uses All American made Engines and both systems are made by United Launch Allience, A Joint between Boeing and Lockheed Martin ( who bought all of General Dynamics Aviation divisions) and if you still want a second option SpaceX Falcon 9 can cover the lower end.
 
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Okay different issue years ago in the 1990's General Dynamics Space Systems Division made a call. they were contracted for the then upcoming Atlas III rocket system and as part of it they needed bigger engines. the decision was made to buy them from the Russians
The Berlin wall had fallen and the Russians were in bad shape the choice was made to partner with the Cosmonauts in the hopes that by doing so they could make a ally of Russia.
The choice however has had a cost. It's long been argued by many as a potential opening for theses very issues. in fact there was recently a injunction filed by SpaceX pointing this possibility out. now this will hit the Air force hard short term but the US is a unique case in space launches. as We have alternatives the Delta IV rocket system is actually just a little bigger (8,600-22,560 kg to LEO vs Atlas V's 9,800–18,810 kg) but uses All American made Engines and both systems are made by United Launch Allience, A Joint between Boeing and Lockheed Martin ( who bought all of General Dynamics Aviation divisions) and if you still want a second option SpaceX Falcon 9 can cover the lower end.

I saw this yesterday ... it's out of my interest, don't know almost anything about space exploration (the only space program I tried to read about was the Soviet satellite system for attacking with the Shipwreck AShM) but I'll put it here anyway:

Posted on InsideDefense.com: May 13, 2014

The uncertainty surrounding the future of the Atlas V's Russian-built RD-180 engine and an escalating need for the United Launch Alliance to lower its costs in order to meet rising launch competition have pushed ULA to consider the implications of scaling down from two launch vehicle families to just one, a top Boeing space executive told reporters on May 13.

ULA, a joint Boeing-Lockheed Martin venture that has served as the Air Force's longtime sole-source lift provider for Evolved Expendable Launch Vehicle-class missions, builds both the Atlas V and the Delta IV launch vehicle. The Delta IV is powered by the RS-68 engine, which is produced in the United States. Roger Krone, Boeing's president of network and space systems, said during a May 13 press briefing that the possibility of ULA's narrowing its focus to the Delta family of launch vehicles is not off the table.

"Will we have a single launch system?" Krone said. "It's clearly one of the options that we're considering. . . . It's in the trade space. No decision has been made." Notably, Boeing developed the Delta family of launch vehicles, whereas Lockheed is the original producer of the Atlas V.

The Atlas V's upper-stage engine, the RD-180, has been the focus of a very public dispute between launch provider SpaceX and the U.S. government. In a lawsuit filed in U.S. Federal Claims Court on April 28, SpaceX asserted that ULA's use of the engine, built by Russian company NPO Energomash, violates U.S. sanctions against Russia's Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin. The court initially sided with SpaceX on this claim, but reversed its position last week when it learned the Treasury, State and Commerce departments had not found evidence that Rogozin has any control over Energomash.

Meanwhile, Rogozin said during a May 13 press conference that his country plans to take action to block sales of the Atlas V's Russian-built RD-180 engines to be used for U.S. military missions. Boeing and ULA officials said they have not received confirmation of Rogozin's claims from Energomash or the Russian government.

The Air Force is analyzing its reliance on the RD-180 engine and is investigating alternatives, to include building a domestic liquid propulsion rocket engine. Service officials have said such an endeavor would cost upwards of $1 billion and take at least four years to field. The House Armed Services Committee, in its mark-up last week of the fiscal year 2015 defense authorization bill, provided $220 million for the service to begin developing a domestic rocket engine to replace the RD-180.

The service is also working to cultivate competition in its EELV launch business, and SpaceX's Falcon 9 vehicle is almost certain to be the first new rocket to achieve certification. The Falcon 9, like the Atlas V, is not a heavy-class vehicle and so cannot be used for some of the missions now carried out by the Delta IV. During a congressional hearing in March, SpaceX CEO Elon Musk asserted that should the Air Force discontinue its use of the Atlas V, the Falcon 9 would be a worthy replacement.

Krone said given the uncertainty surrounding the RD-180's future and the company's need to find ways to reduce costs in order to compete with potential new entrants like SpaceX, scaling down to a single family of launch vehicles is an option for ULA. Such a move, he said, would not favor either Boeing or Lockheed Martin as both companies have an equal share in ULA profits.

While the ongoing dispute over the use of the RD-180 is not a welcome disruption for Boeing or ULA, Krone said it would not impact ULA's contract to deliver 35 rocket cores to the Air Force over the next five years. ULA will be able to fulfill its five-year space launch contract with the Air Force -- finalized last December -- even without additional Russian-built Atlas V engines, he said, though the move would mean relying more heavily on the Delta IV launch vehicles.

"We believe we can fully deliver on the block buy with the engines that we have on hand, new production of RS-68s on the Delta and adjustments on the manifest to move some of the payloads that are dual manifested from one launch vehicle to another," Krone said.

The contract loosely designates half of the 35 cores to Delta IV and half to Atlas V vehicles. ULA has enough RD-180s on hand to fulfill about half of the missions manifested for Atlas V, but Krone said the remaining missions can be shifted to fly on the Delta IV. While some National Security Space missions must fly on either the Atlas V or the Delta IV, the Global Positioning System and Wideband Global Satellite Communications payloads both are dual manifested, which means they can fly on either vehicle.

"It's fairly easy to move them," he said, adding: "It's not our desire. We'd just as soon not move the manifest."

Krone noted that the manifest changes could be made without any adjustments to the terms of the block-buy contract.

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oops, it's early morning here, I thought I was in the US Military thread ... sorry for the off-topic post ... I shouldn't have gone into Space LOL
 
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