antiterror13
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I don't think its a Type 094
09III/09IV (093/094) Nuclear Submarine Thread
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I don't think its a Type 094
JayBird
Junior Member
I usually don't like to quote kanwa, but this time the article is kind of interesting. (Short translation below)
Kanwa September issue entitled "The increase numbers of China's nuclear submarines."
According to his article, there are satellite images from February-4-2015 confirming two 093 nuclear-powered attack submarines and the third 094 strategic missile submarines stationed in Sanya. And from analyzing the draft of the subs, these three 094 are not yet equipped with ballistic missiles.
However, three simultaneous deployment of 094 to the second nuclear submarine detachment is worth the attention. It could meant there might be a huge change with the Chinese navy's strategic nuclear strike doctrine.
And satellite images from Fenruary-1-2015 shown there are still three 093G in Huludao shipyard. And satellite images from march-29-2015 shown one 092 strategic missile submarines and three 091 nuclear-powered attack submarines at Qingdao's first nuclear submarine detachment.
It's very rare to have satellite images of three nuclear submarine bases in such a short period of time, effectively providing accurate information on numbers of Chinese Navy's nuclear submarine .
091 nuclear-powered attack submarines = 3
092 strategic missile submarines = 1
093 & 093G nuclear-powered attack submarines = 3+2
094 strategic missile submarines = 3
Total=12.
Available JL-2 sea launched strategic nuclear missiles 3 × 12= total of 36. There is also the possibility in theory JL-2 are carrying multiple warheads. And base of the above information, there is reasonable suspicion JL-2 nuclear missile base is also located in Yalong Bay Hainan. There is also underground tunnels from land. This undoubtedly means that Hainan is one of the storage area for nuclear weapons.
加拿大《汉和防务评论》月刊9月号(提前出版)发表题为《中国增加核潜艇数量》
2015年2月14日的卫星图片，确认了第三艘094战略导弹核潜艇进驻了三亚，同时驻扎2艘093核动力攻击潜艇获得证实。从吃水深度看，三艘094都尚未装备弹道导弹。可见，直到今年年初，尚未形成核战斗力。但是，3艘094同时部署第二核潜支队的动向，值得高度关注。意味着中国海军的核打击战略发生了巨大变化。
2015年2月1日仍在葫芦岛造船厂的核潜艇数量，依然是3艘093G。3月29日的青岛第一核潜支队卫星图片，发现了一艘092战略导弹核潜艇、3艘091核动力攻击潜艇。
三大核潜艇基地的卫星图片拍摄时间如此接近，非常罕见，有效地提供了中国海军核潜艇数量的准确情报。那就是3艘091、1艘092、3+2艘 093、3艘094服役或者处于海试、建造末期。而且，新一代的093、094全部部署在南海舰队基地内的第二核潜支队。因此从2015年起，094有可能实现全年保持一艘进入战斗值班状态的能力。一艘维修、一艘训练。
如此，“巨浪”-2海基发射战略核导弹的一次性部署数量增加到3×12，共36枚。理论上，拥有携带多弹头的可能性。有理由怀疑“巨浪”-2的核导弹基地也设在亚龙湾，这里还发现了陆地的地下出口。这无疑意味着海南存储了核武器。
Kanwa September issue entitled "The increase numbers of China's nuclear submarines."
According to his article, there are satellite images from February-4-2015 confirming two 093 nuclear-powered attack submarines and the third 094 strategic missile submarines stationed in Sanya. And from analyzing the draft of the subs, these three 094 are not yet equipped with ballistic missiles.
However, three simultaneous deployment of 094 to the second nuclear submarine detachment is worth the attention. It could meant there might be a huge change with the Chinese navy's strategic nuclear strike doctrine.
And satellite images from Fenruary-1-2015 shown there are still three 093G in Huludao shipyard. And satellite images from march-29-2015 shown one 092 strategic missile submarines and three 091 nuclear-powered attack submarines at Qingdao's first nuclear submarine detachment.
It's very rare to have satellite images of three nuclear submarine bases in such a short period of time, effectively providing accurate information on numbers of Chinese Navy's nuclear submarine .
091 nuclear-powered attack submarines = 3
092 strategic missile submarines = 1
093 & 093G nuclear-powered attack submarines = 3+2
094 strategic missile submarines = 3
Total=12.
Available JL-2 sea launched strategic nuclear missiles 3 × 12= total of 36. There is also the possibility in theory JL-2 are carrying multiple warheads. And base of the above information, there is reasonable suspicion JL-2 nuclear missile base is also located in Yalong Bay Hainan. There is also underground tunnels from land. This undoubtedly means that Hainan is one of the storage area for nuclear weapons.
加拿大《汉和防务评论》月刊9月号(提前出版)发表题为《中国增加核潜艇数量》
2015年2月14日的卫星图片，确认了第三艘094战略导弹核潜艇进驻了三亚，同时驻扎2艘093核动力攻击潜艇获得证实。从吃水深度看，三艘094都尚未装备弹道导弹。可见，直到今年年初，尚未形成核战斗力。但是，3艘094同时部署第二核潜支队的动向，值得高度关注。意味着中国海军的核打击战略发生了巨大变化。
2015年2月1日仍在葫芦岛造船厂的核潜艇数量，依然是3艘093G。3月29日的青岛第一核潜支队卫星图片，发现了一艘092战略导弹核潜艇、3艘091核动力攻击潜艇。
三大核潜艇基地的卫星图片拍摄时间如此接近，非常罕见，有效地提供了中国海军核潜艇数量的准确情报。那就是3艘091、1艘092、3+2艘 093、3艘094服役或者处于海试、建造末期。而且，新一代的093、094全部部署在南海舰队基地内的第二核潜支队。因此从2015年起，094有可能实现全年保持一艘进入战斗值班状态的能力。一艘维修、一艘训练。
如此，“巨浪”-2海基发射战略核导弹的一次性部署数量增加到3×12，共36枚。理论上，拥有携带多弹头的可能性。有理由怀疑“巨浪”-2的核导弹基地也设在亚龙湾，这里还发现了陆地的地下出口。这无疑意味着海南存储了核武器。
I usually don't like to quote kanwa, but this time the article is kind of interesting. (Short translation below)
Kanwa September issue entitled "The increase numbers of China's nuclear submarines."
According to his article, there are satellite images from February-4-2015 confirming two 093 nuclear-powered attack submarines and the third 094 strategic missile submarines stationed in Sanya. And from analyzing the draft of the subs, these three 094 are not yet equipped with ballistic missiles.
However, three simultaneous deployment of 094 to the second nuclear submarine detachment is worth the attention. It could meant there might be a huge change with the Chinese navy's strategic nuclear strike doctrine.
And satellite images from Fenruary-1-2015 shown there are still three 093G in Huludao shipyard. And satellite images from march-29-2015 shown one 092 strategic missile submarines and three 091 nuclear-powered attack submarines at Qingdao's first nuclear submarine detachment.
It's very rare to have satellite images of three nuclear submarine bases in such a short period of time, effectively providing accurate information on numbers of Chinese Navy's nuclear submarine .
091 nuclear-powered attack submarines = 3
092 strategic missile submarines = 1
093 & 093G nuclear-powered attack submarines = 3+2
094 strategic missile submarines = 3
Total=12.
He forgot Xiaoping Dao Sub base. On Jan. 22, 2015, there is a 093 at Xiaoping Dao.
antiterror13
Brigadier
Kanwa may "stole" the info and "photos" from this forum
I've been writing about this for a while and you can see everything from google earth. Why do we still need to rely on kanwa?
asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
Can you really tell if a SSBN is loaded just by looking at it's over head image ? How can they tell
Anyhow China nuclear force is growing
8 x SSN and 8 x SSBN in future
Anyhow China nuclear force is growing
8 x SSN and 8 x SSBN in future
antiterror13
Brigadier
I believe China will have way more than 8x SSN, there are already 8 SSN in service ... I believe it would be close to 20 SSNs by 2025-2030
plawolf
Lieutenant General
SLBMs are typically heavy, and a SSBN carriers a lot of them. A SSBN with missiles would displace considerably more water compared to one without missiles, meaning it would sit a lot lower in the water, which should be easy enough to work out by calculating the surface area of the subs visible above the waterline.
Now, with these being subs, its not hard for someone to potentially fake them being loaded with missiles when the subs are empty by partially flooding their tanks to sit the boat lower in the water, but why anyone would bother doing so would be my main question.