094 Confirmed???
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MIGleader
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there are at least half a dozen sites, most credible, claiming china has at least launched one 93, and may have a second one. I havnt heard too much about the 94. there are a few specualtive pics of the 93, most notably the one on huitongs. Thats enough to convince me china has at least one 93.
popeye, while the f-22 and CGX might for us seem to be the cutting edge of u.s technology, we are all well aware that the u.s has many other futuristic projects which it does not share publicly. The 93 and 94 are china's futuristic projects, and it has a right to secrecy(though i would not mind a clear picture
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I'm pretty sure that picture is taken in China. And the subs there are definitely a type not seen before even if the pictures are fuzzy.
It's much harder to get paparazzi pics of subs underwater compared to J-10s and AWACS flying in the air for all to take a photo at.
It's much harder to get paparazzi pics of subs underwater compared to J-10s and AWACS flying in the air for all to take a photo at.
coolieno99
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Sea Dog said:
I think China just copied the "secrecy syndrome" from Japan. Before WW 2, Japan built the world's largest battleship, Yamato, in complete secrecy. They did a good job of "hiding" a 70,000 ton behemoth from everybody including the Japanese civilian population. They knew ahead of time the U.S. is limited to building a battleship to a certain size. The battleship has to be of a certain size to fit through the Panama Canal(limiting gun size to 16 in). All Japan has to do is to built a ship that can handle a gun larger than 16 in. Hence the Yamato sports 18 in. guns(world's largest and longest range naval guns), and Yamato hull has to be massive enough to handle the heavy recoil of those guns.:coffee:
Right. And I also believe that PLAN has at least one somewhere. There's just too much buzz surrounding the project from many sources. I'm just not convinced that they've done sea trials. Nor am I convinced that they've even taken the reactor critical yet. If they're even at that stage. But who knows? They might have. I'm just not convinced at all. It doesn't seem likely based on what we've got. I've seen those fuzzy photos also Jeff. Looking at the hull and sail, they can be a myriad of subs. It even looks similar enough in that fuzzy profile to be a Japanese Harushio SSK.
And it's useless being that secretive. The USA, the UK, and Russia all can detect a naval reactor that's gone critical. If it's being built up in Huludao, there's really only one way out. You can expect an LA class SSN to be trailing you for a couple of weeks and not even know it. BTW, Huludao is the best place to build it because it's enclosed, desolate, and the materials to do the job are there. Anywhere else on China's coast and it's easily spotted. Too much commercial maritime and air traffic in those areas. If you had a base on Hainan, you would see alot of men and materials in movement constantly. Couldn't hide it there.
Those things lead me to believe they're (093/094) not yet actually ready to be put in the water yet. How far along they really are have to be left to the imagination. But as I said before, taking clear pictures of the hull in a dry dock gives nothing away in terms of capabilities. And you prove you got something. Yes, even the USA covers up the propulsor, reactor compartment, torpedo rooms, and such. But there's no question to the existence and viability of Virginia SSN's at all. No questions whatsoever. Three are sailing and the fourth and fifth hulls are ready to be laid down. I only wish China would give us some insight into their program.
And it's useless being that secretive. The USA, the UK, and Russia all can detect a naval reactor that's gone critical. If it's being built up in Huludao, there's really only one way out. You can expect an LA class SSN to be trailing you for a couple of weeks and not even know it. BTW, Huludao is the best place to build it because it's enclosed, desolate, and the materials to do the job are there. Anywhere else on China's coast and it's easily spotted. Too much commercial maritime and air traffic in those areas. If you had a base on Hainan, you would see alot of men and materials in movement constantly. Couldn't hide it there.
Those things lead me to believe they're (093/094) not yet actually ready to be put in the water yet. How far along they really are have to be left to the imagination. But as I said before, taking clear pictures of the hull in a dry dock gives nothing away in terms of capabilities. And you prove you got something. Yes, even the USA covers up the propulsor, reactor compartment, torpedo rooms, and such. But there's no question to the existence and viability of Virginia SSN's at all. No questions whatsoever. Three are sailing and the fourth and fifth hulls are ready to be laid down. I only wish China would give us some insight into their program.
crobato said:
True, those most of the planes flies over cities so it's easier to catch. And most airfields are near cities. Naval bases are in the middle of no where in China... except for maybe Dalian but if you look at the naval base in Hainan it's on the other side of the inside and there's only one road leading to it, just go google earth PLAN sub bases and you'll see it's pretty hard to try and sneak anywhere near it.
