071 LPD thread
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asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
Long time we have not seen LPD shots !!
Nice to see them
Nice to see them
They should get rid of that useless gun in the front and put in VLS and Phase Array radar up top. Its vast hull can host more helicopters for antisubmarine.
Turn the 071 ship into a major platform for air defense and anti-sub besides transporting tanks and troops.
Turn the 071 ship into a major platform for air defense and anti-sub besides transporting tanks and troops.
The gun is not useless at all. it is something that can be used to support troops on the ground, and is a dual purpose gun I am sure to also be used for anti-air defense.
Putting all of the radars and fire control necessary for a multi-role VLS would make this vessel something that it is not and would take up weight, personnel and space, that can best be used for its primary purpose.
The vessel will have other ships around it to provide either area anti-air coverage, or long ranger strike missions for the troops on the ground.
Anyhow, I think that is the reason it has not happened, and is not likely to happen.
Now...that is something different altogether.tidalwave said:
Then it would not longer be an LPD.
The US is looking at this for a version of the San Antonio class. But that vessel too will not be an LPD.
Whether the PLAN needs such a specialized AAW or other multi-role vessel is a big question that the PLAN will have to answer.
with the Type 052D and the coming Type 055, I personally believe at this point that the PLAN does not need to invest in such a vessel.
Apparently you do not know what an LPD is used for. LPDs are used for amphibians assault. Placing troops ashore as needed in a amphibous assault.
That being stated the there is a concept out to build a Missile Defence ship based on a US Navy San Antonio class LPD.
I know what they used for. They are vulnerable and need escorts to support it.
But through incorporating air defense system and anti sub capibility, they can free up the escorts. They can act and travel alone by themselves if they have those abilities.
They are giant platforms , with plenty of still avail real estates on top to incorporate those abilities.
All large ships deploy with escorts. There are no lone wolfs when speaking of CVs,LHA,LPH & LPDs. Escorts are designed to escort and protect capital ships.
It would be difficult for an LPD to multi-task as you suggest.
The missions you describe are for DDGs & CGs.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
The only thing I think the 071 class is currently lacking that should be added is a large capacity FL2000 launcher or two to supplement its AK630s.
Anything more would be overkill, and a waste of precious space on the ship, and resources.
The whole point of modern fleet combat doctrine is to stop attackers and incoming weapons long before the come within range of the defensive weapons of high value assets like LPD, LHD and carriers.
If you need anything more than maybe the point defences of such high value assets to mop up the odd enemy missile or two that somehow managed to slip past all the other fleet layered defences, something has gone badly wrong. In which case, even the best multi-layered defences on your high value ships are likely to be enough to save it.
Anything more would be overkill, and a waste of precious space on the ship, and resources.
The whole point of modern fleet combat doctrine is to stop attackers and incoming weapons long before the come within range of the defensive weapons of high value assets like LPD, LHD and carriers.
If you need anything more than maybe the point defences of such high value assets to mop up the odd enemy missile or two that somehow managed to slip past all the other fleet layered defences, something has gone badly wrong. In which case, even the best multi-layered defences on your high value ships are likely to be enough to save it.
I believe you are talking about the HHQ-10 (FL-3000N) System, aren't you?
The same missile (in different launchers) that is on the Liaoning, the Type 052D, and the Type 056, correct?
Type 052D with HHQ-10
Type 056 With HHQ-10
Liaoning with HHQ-10
I agree with your sentiments completely.
Adding two of these launchers, one to each side, one fore and the other aft, like the San Antonio LPDs do would be a GREAT addition to the Type 017 LPD.
Here's how the US RAM launchers look on the San Antonio class:
