054/A FFG Thread II

[no_name]

An interesting detail is that after the first four 054A the list calls them 054A II. That corresponds to another source calling Hulls 5 and later the 054A+. If there has been a (not visible) design modification, it would go some way to explain the two-year pause between Hulls 3-4 and Hulls 5-6.

There is some visible design modification. The type 054A+ or 054A II have improved and straighter bow shape.

type 054:

type 054A:

so called 054A+:

 

[sealordlawrence]

Good call no_name, I had noticed the bow differences earlier but never really thought anything of it.

 

[franco-russe]

So 054A II/+ is visually distinguished from the basic type by having a more raked bow – that would also make somewhat longer. I would never have noticed if not pointed out to me. Thanks for the enlightenment. By the way, the lower shape of the bow reveals how tiny the bulbous sonar is, that really calls for improvement in a Type 054B.

 

[no_name]

The sonar was small to start with I think but hard to tell from the angle and blocked view.

This is the bow of the original type 054 posted in the part 1 thread:

 

[franco-russe]

Oh, those happy days when ships wore pennant numbers even before being launched! Thanks for the sonar, I'm sure sealordlawrence will appreciate seeing the blue colour of the lower half. And that on a HP newbuilding (they do not do that today, I think).

 

[Totoro]

Does anyone have any sort of information backed up by hard sources or hard photographic proofs concerning the guidance method of hhq-16 on 054a frigates? I know it uses orekh like (or orekhs?) illuminators, but that is for the terminal guidance. What about mid course guidance? Does the missile, when fired, searches for the radar beam and rides it? Or does it go freely on its own inertial navigation until redirected by the illuminator? Or is it command guided via datalinks until the terminal phase? But I really need sources for any sort of claims about anything...

What would also help is similar info on 052b guidance and even sovremenny guidance. Even old soviet sovremenny's example would be useful, IF backed up by sources. Thank you.

 

[tphuang]

i posted an entry on this on my blog a while ago. I can probably do a much better job at it now, but I'm too lazy to re-write it.

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[tphuang]

okay, this is where things get really confusing for me. I see these pictures today and this is what I had assumed to be the 5th 054A from HD shipyard until that other photo came out. I guess it has not been launched yet and the other photo is not from recent time?

 

[sealordlawrence]

Curious indeed, the photos seem to be from the same dock but clearly the ship in post 851 is considerably further along. Either the photos are out of sequence or you were right and there is another 054A there. In the absence of seeing two ships in one photo I am leaning towards the sequence issue- though I have an open mind.

 

[franco-russe]

Today’s photo perfectly matches the one we discussed, posted in # 809. It is undeniable that the photo today looks much more like February than the one in beautiful weather in # 821. Interesting that both are from the same source.