052C/052D Class Destroyers

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charles18

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leonzzzz said:
You need to at least upgrade yourself from wikipedia to AI chatbots.

Of the total 74 active Burkes, there are 21 Flight I and 8 Flight IIs, which lack strike capabilities other than Harpoons, as well as absence of heli hangers, making it a solely air defence role. Their radars (SPY-1D) are also obsolete (by Chinese standards these days). Based on mission profile and capabilities, these are not comparable to 052Ds and 055s. They were all built between 1988 – 1999 so go figure how many more breaths they can take.

The only Burkes that matter are the Flight IIAs and Flight IIIs, which add up to 45. For the sake of the argument, let's say 052Ds are flight IIA equivalents and 055s are flight III equivalents. The USN is already numerically inferior (if not technologically) in destroyers.

The final nails in the coffin are the vast Chinese corvette (50~ 056A) and frigate fleets (44+ 054/A/B), which you will find no counterparts in USN (leave the poor LCS in their graves), enabling the heavy weights to focus on air defense and strike missions, while some Burkes need to be diverted for ASW and non-CSG escorts missions, tilting that number game even less in USN's favor.

Enough OT. Please do some basic due diligence.
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Wow calm down there buddy.
I think you're taking this out of context.

Andy1974 simply said the US navy currently has more destroyers than China. Which is absolutely true.
I think you're trying to reinterpret his message into "something else" and commenting on it.

Perhaps what you're getting at is in a hypothetical confrontation between China and the US using only surface combatants who would win? I would put my money on China.
Why?
The US is building an average of 2 destroyers per year while China can easily build 2 cruisers, 4 destroyers, and 2 frigates.
Therefore it is only a matter of time before the Chinese surface combatant fleet overwhelms the US navy.
Furthermore Chinese destroyers have larger VLC vertical launch cells enabling them to carry much larger, lethal, and longer range anti-ship missiles. I have very little confidence in the Arleigh Burke destroyer's "harpoon missiles" compared to the YJ-20 and YJ-21.
 
Tomboy

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Gloire_bb said:
? They have exact same strike capabilities as all other burkes, TLAMs and SM series. Same cells, just slightly less of them.

Also, while SPY-1D is kinda old, it still provides tracks just fine. Radars don't kill, and unless you can visibly show that SPY-1D is insufficient for average modern engagement(not 2030s, not 2040s one) - this is a dangerous point to make.
Esp. if you count in Type 052Cs.
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Also, even the worst and oldest Burkes are still AEGIS vessels unlike any of the 056s and 054As and most of the non-52C/52D/55s destroyers in Chinese services which are at this point large frigates in all but name. It's odd to casually discount those Burkes and then start talking about how Frigates and Corvettes are better.
 
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AndrewS

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Tomboy said:
Also, even the worst and oldest Burkes are still AEGIS vessels unlike any of the 056s and 054As and most of the non-52C/52D/55s destroyers in Chinese services which are at this point large frigates in all but name. It's odd to casually discount those Burkes and then start talking about how Frigates and Corvettes are better.
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The Type-052/055s are large Frigates?

These days, I would say the distinction between Frigates and Destroyers is whether they have a large, expensive AESA panel(s).

That comes with a requirement for more VLS cells.
 
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ACuriousPLAFan

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AndrewS said:
The Type-052/055s are large Frigates?

These days, I would say the distinction between Frigates and Destroyers is whether they have a large, expensive AESA panel(s).

That comes with a requirement for more VLS cells.
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@Tomboy is actually saying that all the DDGs in the PLAN that came before the 052Cs are essentially large frigates. This is actually a pretty accurate description, especially when taking their high-seas combat capabilities (HSCC) into account, even after those ships had their MLUs.
 
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