there could be large amount of chinese sailors in various shipping companies willing to join PLAN if tensions get high (at least for the very basic sailor)
052C/052D Class Destroyers
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There is no lack of Chinese youth wanting to join PLA, PLAAF and PLAN. Although China has conscription law but they don't need to apply them because every year, the number of volunteers far exceeded the recruitment target. They also have large enough training facilities and training ships to train their targetted number of crew.
Aren't Chinese warships already 25% overmanned, in anticipation of future growth?
In conjunction with the new 055 DDG seen with pennant #110 painted at its bow, a 052D DDG of the latest batch has also received the pennat number #159, likely to be named after the city of Shigatse. Posted by @太湖军I名 on Weibo.
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but....That gap will be filled in 5 years.
China is building warships at a much faster rate than the USA.
If we count frigates, destroyers, and cruisers as "surface combatants" by 2031, if construction continues at the same pace, the PLA-navy will have the largest surface combatant force in the world measured by total tonnage. Let's divide a navy into 5 parts:
aircraft carriers,
submarines,
amphibious assault,
surface combatants,
Logistics / everything else.
The surface combatant force will be the first part of the navy that China achieves not equality but superiority to the US navy.
The second part will be amphibious assault, but that's a separate topic.
You need to at least upgrade yourself from wikipedia to AI chatbots.
Of the total 74 active Burkes, there are 21 Flight I and 8 Flight IIs, which lack strike capabilities other than Harpoons, as well as absence of heli hangers, making it a solely air defence role. Their radars (SPY-1D) are also obsolete (by Chinese standards these days). Based on mission profile and capabilities, these are not comparable to 052Ds and 055s. They were all built between 1988 – 1999 so go figure how many more breaths they can take.
The only Burkes that matter are the Flight IIAs and Flight IIIs, which add up to 45. For the sake of the argument, let's say 052Ds are flight IIA equivalents and 055s are flight III equivalents. The USN is already numerically inferior (if not technologically) in destroyers.
The final nails in the coffin are the vast Chinese corvette (50~ 056A) and frigate fleets (44+ 054/A/B), which you will find no counterparts in USN (leave the poor LCS in their graves), enabling the heavy weights to focus on air defense and strike missions, while some Burkes need to be diverted for ASW and non-CSG escorts missions, tilting that number game even less in USN's favor.
Enough OT. Please do some basic due diligence.
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The radars mounted on 056A and 054A are also less than great, to put it mildly.
You’re comparing frigates and corvettes to destroyers.
I was not the one who discounted destroyers on the grounds of bad radar, before proceeding to count corvettes/frigates with bad radar. But I agree, the corvettes/frigates should not be included in the first place. You should tell him that.
? They have exact same strike capabilities as all other burkes, TLAMs and SM series. Same cells, just slightly less of them.
Also, while SPY-1D is kinda old, it still provides tracks just fine. Radars don't kill, and unless you can visibly show that SPY-1D is insufficient for average modern engagement(not 2030s, not 2040s one) - this is a dangerous point to make.
Esp. if you count in Type 052Cs.
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