052C/052D Class Destroyers

A.Man said:

Oh, Man, 1, 2, 3, 4

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Wow!! There is not many country's around the world that can say they have 4 x DDG in the water at various stages that's a huge statement and a huge development

Plenty of action has gone plenty is going on and there's plenty to come! Very good shot

Franklin said:

Type 052D 172 Kunming is back at the shipyard ? And Type 052C 152 Zhengzhou has disappeared into a parallel universe after a Philadelphia project like experiment went wrong.

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Umm.......i get the impression that 'Kunming' was somewhat commissioned prematurely, possibly for political reasons.

As, it appears to me the vessel seems to be doing most of its sea trials now.

Whereas, the last 2 052C's are taking an age to commission. I mean the 5th vessel 152 has had its pennant number for sometime now, and by some sources is regarded as being active in the Chinese fleet............but i havnt found proof that the vessel has officially been commissioned yet.

Regarding the last 052C ............this vessel seems to of gone into the 'Twilight zone' and isnt even listed on a Chinese Navy site!

Can anyone throw any light on this matter?

steve_rolfe said:

Umm.......i get the impression that 'Kunming' was somewhat commissioned prematurely, possibly for political reasons.

As, it appears to me the vessel seems to be doing most of its sea trials now.

Whereas, the last 2 052C's are taking an age to commission. I mean the 5th vessel 152 has had its pennant number for sometime now, and by some sources is regarded as being active in the Chinese fleet............but i havnt found proof that the vessel has officially been commissioned yet.

Regarding the last 052C ............this vessel seems to of gone into the 'Twilight zone' and isnt even listed on a Chinese Navy site!

Can anyone throw any light on this matter?

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Possibly, they are trying to fit some new equipment to the last two Type 055C, which are directly outsourced from the Type 055D.
Like, they might have changed the problematic 100mm main gun of Type 055C in favour of a new gun.

Tako said:

Possibly, they are trying to fit some new equipment to the last two Type 055C, which are directly outsourced from the Type 055D.
Like, they might have changed the problematic 100mm main gun of Type 055C in favour of a new gun.

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No, I doubt that is the reason for the delay. There is nothing to suggest they are replacing any components from 052D, and they certainly wouldn't be replacing the gun, which despite the better performance of the 130mm gun, is not enough to warrant the complicated procedure of replacing the 100mm gun already on board.

More likely, the last two 052Cs are simply being sea trialled very thoroughly so when they are officially "commissioned," they will end up being far more battle ready.

On the flip side, the reason 172 was commissioned so early was probably a mix of political reasons, as well as to give the navy greater involvement in the first sea trials of the class (which is similar to what happened with the first two 052Cs in the mid 2000s).

asif iqbal said:

Wow!! There is not many country's around the world that can say they have 4 x DDG in the water at various stages that's a huge statement and a huge development

Plenty of action has gone plenty is going on and there's plenty to come! Very good shot

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hmmm, I don't know whether there is any country at all that have 4 x DDG in the water at various stages, not even the USA

antiterror13 said:

hmmm, I don't know whether there is any country at all that have 4 x DDG in the water at various stages, not even the USA

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Well US has one DDG launched in the water DDG-1000 the Zumwalt Class

Once the Arleigh Burke IIA flight restart units start coming online we will start to see more DDG in the water

antiterror13 said:

hmmm, I don't know whether there is any country at all that have 4 x DDG in the water at various stages, not even the USA

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Once the Burke IIA restart kicks in next year, the US will generally have three in the water at various stages until the Zumwalts are completed. One Zumwalt and two of the Burke IIA restart.

Sustaining such a rate is critical.

The US is at a point where it does not need four in the water at one time because it already has 62 destroyers and 22 cruisers operational. 84 are already "in the water."

All those US DDGs commissioned from 1991 until 2012 (62 DDGs in 21 years) and all of them built to be scalable and upgradable. All of the cruisers commissioned since 1986, and all of them similarly built to be upgradable and scalable.

steve_rolfe said:

Umm.......i get the impression that 'Kunming' was somewhat commissioned prematurely, possibly for political reasons.

As, it appears to me the vessel seems to be doing most of its sea trials now.

Whereas, the last 2 052C's are taking an age to commission. I mean the 5th vessel 152 has had its pennant number for sometime now, and by some sources is regarded as being active in the Chinese fleet............but i havnt found proof that the vessel has officially been commissioned yet.

Regarding the last 052C ............this vessel seems to of gone into the 'Twilight zone' and isnt even listed on a Chinese Navy site!

Can anyone throw any light on this matter?

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PLAN just got their hands on some Romulan technology, that last 052C is being used as testbed for the new cloaking device.

Jeff Head said:

Once the Burke IIA restart kicks in next year, the US will generally have three in the water at various stages until the Zumwalts are completed. One Zumwalt and two of the Burke IIA restart.

Sustaining such a rate is critical.

The US is at a point where it does not need four in the water at one time because it already has 62 destroyers and 22 cruisers operational. 84 are already "in the water."

All those US DDGs commissioned from 1991 until 2012 (62 DDGs in 21 years) and all of them built to be scalable and upgradable. All of the cruisers commissioned since 1986, and all of them similarly built to be upgradable and scalable.

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Totally agree. The US doesn't need the pace of what PLAN is now. Obviously the US has the capability and capacity to do that, even more than 4 ... perhaps even 8 DDG. What PLAN is doing is a catching up ..... which at one point almost 30-40 years behind. But now I'd say < 10 years behind the USA and ~5 years behind Japan and EU

antiterror13 said:

Totally agree. The US doesn't need the pace of what PLAN is now. Obviously the US has the capability and capacity to do that, even more than 4 ... perhaps even 8 DDG. What PLAN is doing is a catching up ..... which at one point almost 30-40 years behind. But now I'd say < 10 years behind the USA and ~5 years behind Japan and EU

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How is China behind Japan?

And EU isn't even a single country, could you be more specific?

Latvia is in the EU. Romania is in the EU. I'm pretty sure China has a stronger navy than those two countries--if they happen to have a navy that is.