00X/004 future nuclear CATOBAR carrier thread

[Blitzo]

I fear that people are hyping up the estimated size far too much. The Drydock at Dalian is only roughly 366m long. There also needs to be a minimum separation distance between the ship itself and the ends of the drydock.

What that needs to be, I have no idea. What I do know is at least during the Fujian's construction, that distance was around 20m on both ends. Does that mean the 004 is capped at 326m long? No. But I just wanted to point this issue out to those convinced it may be a 340-350m long monster.

I think at this current point, expecting it to be a Ford ballpark sized ship is within reason (20m longer than Fujian is viable for instance), but beyond that is pushing it and somewhat unsubstantiated for now.

Tbh I'm not even sure why some people think it might be 120k tons or whatever, I assume it is just for the sake of chest beating.

 

[Maikeru]

I think at this current point, expecting it to be a Ford ballpark sized ship is within reason (20m longer than Fujian is viable for instance), but beyond that is pushing it and somewhat unsubstantiated for now.

Tbh I'm not even sure why some people think it might be 120k tons or whatever, I assume it is just for the sake of chest beating.

I will not be happy unless I can start referring to Ford/Nimitz classes as 'medium' carriers.

 

[Blitzo]

I will not be happy unless I can start referring to Ford/Nimitz classes as 'medium' carriers.

Then please continue to feel unhappy, it might be an educational experience.


As I've said over the last few months, I think it may be useful for the community to relearn some humility to replace self satisfaction and confidence.

 

[Cloud_Nine_]

I fear that people are hyping up the estimated size far too much. The Drydock at Dalian is only roughly 366m long. There also needs to be a minimum separation distance between the ship itself and the ends of the drydock.

What that needs to be, I have no idea. What I do know is at least during the Fujian's construction, that distance was around 20m on both ends. Does that mean the 004 is capped at 326m long? No. But I just wanted to point this issue out to those convinced it may be a 340-350m long monster.

Mainly because apparently her width seem to be 1~2 meters wider than that of the Ford. I am not entirely convinced either since satellite imagery measuring tend to be wonky. But safe to say she's at least Ford sized dimension wise. Depending on which source Ford is either 334 meters or 339 meters. So if Ford's 339, 340 meters is totally in the ball park esp considering PLAN seem to like doing pretty aggressively clipped bows.

 

[Blitzo]

Mainly because apparently her width seem to be 1~2 meters wider than that of the Ford. I am not entirely convinced either since satellite imagery measuring tend to be wonky. But safe to say she's at least Ford sized dimension wise. Depending on which source Ford is either 334 meters or 339 meters. So if Ford's 339, 340 meters is totally in the ball park esp considering PLAN seem to like doing pretty aggressively clipped bows.

It's better to just not chest thump and be a bit more reasonable.

The worst sin of PLA watching is having high projections that then need to be walked back.

 

[00CuriousObserver]

This is not an unreasonable depiction of CV-19 and CVN-20 configurations, per 大包

CV-19 of course here is being depicted as a 003-mod, which as previously mentioned, would be reasonable if they do not intend to pursue further conventionally powered carriers after it and go nuclear only.

The island between CV-19 and CVN-20 show the way their islands share the common main section while CV-19 has a rear connected smoke stack.

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A few big shrimps voiced strong disapproval of the middle island design. I don’t think 大包 was entirely serious when he made that graphic.

One issue is this: if we assume a fixed distance from the ship’s stern to the funnel, then placing the funnel behind the island pushes the island farther forward than if the funnel were integrated mid-island, leaving less deck space in front of it.

 

[Blitzo]

A few big shrimps voiced strong disapproval of the middle island design. I don’t think 大包 was entirely serious when he made that graphic.

One issue is this: if we assume a fixed distance from the ship’s stern to the funnel, then placing the funnel behind the island pushes the island farther forward than if the funnel were integrated mid-island, leaving less deck space in front of it.

I think the overall depiction of "plonking the full island with smoke stack on 003 hull" is the valuable part.
The specific position in the mid-hull, amidships region is not so important.

(Personally I don't think the funnel exhaust position must directly overlay the same site as on 003 -- the internal position of the propulsion system in the hull should probably have a degree of leeway in where the funnel can be positioned from a longitudinal perspective)

 

[Blitzo]

It’s very relevant. The reason dutch made that decision is because they believe China is weak and America is strong. They look down on the Chinese and would rather be America’s pawns. They believe they can act with impunity given their geographical location, wedged in the heartland of Europe. They believe the Chinese have no power projection and no physical ability to protect their economic interests in Europe. They’re not wrong.

If China had 6 carrier groups able to sail right through the english channel, you’d see a much more neutral dutch.

America would also be adopting a far less hawkish posture.

First of all, you overestimate the geopolitical relevance of six carrier battle groups in isolation.

Second of all, your prior post was vastly off topic and is just nationalistic chest thumping without any substance. I advise you to drop it.

 

[sangye]

First of all, you overestimate the geopolitical relevance of six carrier battle groups in isolation.

Second of all, your prior post was vastly off topic and is just nationalistic chest thumping without any substance. I advise you to drop it.

Can we just collectively put these users in our ignore list, so their messages don't show up on our feed? That's the only way I see that we can have constructive discussions in this forum. The ignore feature is wonderful.