00X/004 future nuclear CATOBAR carrier thread

tamsen_ikard

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Given the relative difference in shipbuilding capacity (>200x difference in civilian shipbuilding), I'm surprised at even just 2 concurrent aircraft carriers being in construction.

In theory, China could produce many more ACs concurrently. I personally believe the reason they're not doing that is because its still in the "advancement" phase of military development rather than the "bulk-up", in that each new design that rolls off the manufacturing line is partly a finished product and partly a demonstrator for new technologies. Once the PLA has settled on a mature design, then they can start mass-producing clones.

If the rumours are solid, then we're looking at the dual construction of a novel CVN as Type-005 with an improved (but still different) Fujian that would actually be a Type-004 to Fujian's Type-003 in the same way Shandong was Type-002 to Liaoning's Type-001. Then once the designs are finalised, they'll mass produce identical copies of the Type-004 CV (likely for homeland defense) and Type-005 CVN (for global power projection) at a rate of perhaps 4 ACs concurrently, if not more (depending on how much they want to ramp this up).

China doesn't have infinite money, but the actual industrial capacity is already there. The technology is lagging behind the industry.

Of course, this is all speculation. Only time will tell.
1.5% gdp defense budget limits too many ship building projects. China still has a low military budget. They are going for small quantity and higher tech instead of bulk numbers.
 

AndrewS

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Given the relative difference in shipbuilding capacity (>200x difference in civilian shipbuilding), I'm surprised at even just 2 concurrent aircraft carriers being in construction.

Note that this implies 2 aircraft carriers built every 5 years.
If this continues, and given a 50 year service life, that would imply a steady-state fleet of 20 aircraft carriers.

I would say this is towards the upper limit of how large I expect the Chinese Navy to grow to.

I think the Chinese Navy could settle on a somewhat smaller fleet size, but this does depend on how bad US-China relations get.
 

Deino

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Guys ... stick to the topic and the way Russia wanted to sink USN carriers, how the US' AD works and even more how many the USN will loose against the PLAN in a war is off topic!

Open another thread for fleet AD or whatever but not in this thread!

Next step will be bans including for those who don't agree with a moderator's request by posting stupid emojis!
 

AETHER

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Guys, this is probably not an aircraft carrier

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On May 8th, Dalian Shipbuilding Industry Co. (DSIC) under China State Shipbuilding Corporation (CSSC) achieved the keel-laying milestone for the world's first methanol dual-fuel intelligent VLCC (T300K-103), built for China Merchants Energy Shipping (CMES).
This vessel, independently developed by DSIC based on its research projects, represents the eighth generation of VLCCs. Classified by the China Classification Society (CCS) as a single-class vessel, it measures approximately 333 meters in length and 60 meters in width, capable of carrying about 2.1 million barrels of crude oil. The ship incorporates the latest hull design, allowing it to maintain the same cargo capacity as its predecessor while reducing its draft, demonstrating superior overall performance as a highly efficient and energy-saving very large crude carrier.
Adhering to a design philosophy of "green, environmental protection, intelligence, and safety," the vessel features a methanol dual-fuel main engine. It is equipped with an exhaust gas recirculation (EGR) system for the main engine, selective catalytic reduction (SCR) denitration equipment for the generators, and open-loop desulfurization scrubbers. These features ensure full compliance with the latest environmental emission standards, maximizing energy efficiency and economic viability. Additionally, it integrates intelligent systems for energy efficiency, cargo handling, operation and maintenance, and a smart ship-based platform, further enhancing the vessel's operational efficiency and safety.
 

leibowitz

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Guys, this is probably not an aircraft carrier

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On May 8th, Dalian Shipbuilding Industry Co. (DSIC) under China State Shipbuilding Corporation (CSSC) achieved the keel-laying milestone for the world's first methanol dual-fuel intelligent VLCC (T300K-103), built for China Merchants Energy Shipping (CMES).
This vessel, independently developed by DSIC based on its research projects, represents the eighth generation of VLCCs. Classified by the China Classification Society (CCS) as a single-class vessel, it measures approximately 333 meters in length and 60 meters in width, capable of carrying about 2.1 million barrels of crude oil. The ship incorporates the latest hull design, allowing it to maintain the same cargo capacity as its predecessor while reducing its draft, demonstrating superior overall performance as a highly efficient and energy-saving very large crude carrier.
Adhering to a design philosophy of "green, environmental protection, intelligence, and safety," the vessel features a methanol dual-fuel main engine. It is equipped with an exhaust gas recirculation (EGR) system for the main engine, selective catalytic reduction (SCR) denitration equipment for the generators, and open-loop desulfurization scrubbers. These features ensure full compliance with the latest environmental emission standards, maximizing energy efficiency and economic viability. Additionally, it integrates intelligent systems for energy efficiency, cargo handling, operation and maintenance, and a smart ship-based platform, further enhancing the vessel's operational efficiency and safety.
This would explain the 2x CVs under construction - one of them is actually a VLCC
 

Tomboy

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Guys, this is probably not an aircraft carrier

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On May 8th, Dalian Shipbuilding Industry Co. (DSIC) under China State Shipbuilding Corporation (CSSC) achieved the keel-laying milestone for the world's first methanol dual-fuel intelligent VLCC (T300K-103), built for China Merchants Energy Shipping (CMES).
This vessel, independently developed by DSIC based on its research projects, represents the eighth generation of VLCCs. Classified by the China Classification Society (CCS) as a single-class vessel, it measures approximately 333 meters in length and 60 meters in width, capable of carrying about 2.1 million barrels of crude oil. The ship incorporates the latest hull design, allowing it to maintain the same cargo capacity as its predecessor while reducing its draft, demonstrating superior overall performance as a highly efficient and energy-saving very large crude carrier.
Adhering to a design philosophy of "green, environmental protection, intelligence, and safety," the vessel features a methanol dual-fuel main engine. It is equipped with an exhaust gas recirculation (EGR) system for the main engine, selective catalytic reduction (SCR) denitration equipment for the generators, and open-loop desulfurization scrubbers. These features ensure full compliance with the latest environmental emission standards, maximizing energy efficiency and economic viability. Additionally, it integrates intelligent systems for energy efficiency, cargo handling, operation and maintenance, and a smart ship-based platform, further enhancing the vessel's operational efficiency and safety.
Well, what kind of VLCC has thick anti-mine compartments neither does it explain the supposed nuclear reactor. This ship should have a 60m beam but DL's mystery ship only has a beam of 43.8m. Unless VLCCs are designed to have significant deck overhang for some reason, it doesn't match the ship in the drydock.
 
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