The Kashmir conflict 2025.

4Tran

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Yeah but the PM is getting actively crapped on for it. Its a sign India has even worse soft power than China in the west and they're supposed to an "ally".

The west is now showing its kind of fed up now. If India does nothing to make things better, its only gonna get worse.
India has proven itself to be a bad place for foreign companies to do business and a bad place to invest. So what was left is that India was supposed to be the counterweight against China. India had the same size population and it looked like, given enough time to grow, it could be large and influential enough to offset China's influence. The May 7 battle showed the rest of the world that India is far weaker than China militarily, and that it's probably even worse off in other arenas. And so India's value to the rest of the world has massively shrunk. The way other countries treated India's victory celebration delegations shows how little they value India.
 

AlexYe

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India is known as the graveyard for investors. I am talking about foreign companies that want to setup production inside India. Historically, a long list of companies came to India, setup shop, then had to leave with their tails tucked between their legs. In addition to the well known lack of infrastructure and the cumbersome bureaucracy, the country regularly pass laws retroactive in a way to shake down companies already inside India. This has become a way for the government to get part of its revenue. Local companies often find ways to strip foreign companies of their assets with the help of the Indian government. On the other hand, companies that went to China have prospered. Today, GM earns more money from China than from the U.S. I am sure the Chinese learned from Western companies and set up competition against their former teachers, and government push foreign companies to setup domestic supply chains for more of their parts, but at least the Chinese never fine the foreign companies based on retroactive laws passed at a later date and the foreign companies made huge amount of money from China. Western companies left China because they were outcompeted by the domestic counterparts in the market place.
Instead of changing the landscape so more foreign companies will invest in India based on profit, Modi sees this war as a way to get some Western companies to invest in India based on geopolitical reason. The rationale is, India wins the war, at least based on India and Western media, then the U.S., seeing India as a useful counterweight against China, will push more Western companies to invest in India on political grounds, despite all the horrible record of previous investors. Instead of doing the hard work of fixing the investment environment, Modi wants to get investors through the U.S. government applying pressure to our companies.
Well, India did not win. In fact, they were soundly defeated. Going forward, not only Pakistan, but other South Asian countries like Bangladesh and Nepal will be able to stand their ground against the Indian military with the help of China. India has lost its value as a counterweight against China. You can see glimpses of this by seeing that this year, India was not invited to the G7 nations meeting In Canada. India featured prominently in this meeting in recent years. Trump said that he does not want Apple to build their assembly plant in India. What previous push by Western government based on geopolitical calculus for their companies to invest in India will now cease. Modi thought he saw an opportunity to grab business from Western companies has done the opposite for India.

Will be interesting to see how the Indian economy fare in the coming years with this backdrop.
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India has proven itself to be a bad place for foreign companies to do business and a bad place to invest. So what was left is that India was supposed to be the counterweight against China. India had the same size population and it looked like, given enough time to grow, it could be large and influential enough to offset China's influence. The May 7 battle showed the rest of the world that India is far weaker than China militarily, and that it's probably even worse off in other arenas. And so India's value to the rest of the world has massively shrunk. The way other countries treated India's victory celebration delegations shows how little they value India.
In terms of manufacturing ability, infra-logistics and supply chain, India's main competitor is Vietnam now (who outproduces India now, in lesser time with lesser western backing)
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Looks like invite is back on the table boys.
Trump is gonna be there, Is Trump gonna Ambush Modi and talk about how he helped with Ceasefire again??? for like 15th time and Modi will be unable to say anything about it. Is it gonna be like a mini-white-house talk down that we have seen others go through. :eek:
Please let it be Le Funny
 

Black Wolf

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The presenter appeared visibly uncomfortable and completely sidestepped the discussion when Christine pointed out that the primary beneficiaries of the conflict are the Pakistani Army along with Modi, highlighting that Asim Munir had even promoted himself to Field Marshal.

Clearly unsettled, the presenter rushed to move on to the next topic, seemingly fearful of drawing attention from intelligence agencies.
 

AlexYe

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"The Operation had alot more to do with the Optics of Domestic Politics"
Yeah agreed, I mean Pak-army is so saint, I dont think any army/nation-state is completely but not sure if thats a good reason for shoot-ing match between 2 nuclear armed states.
"The ISIS GUY SAYING PAKISTAN IS A DANGEROUS COUNTRY"
Lmaoooo yeah the perception trouble, I think Dr.Christine is also a bit stuck in her criticism from since 2013's Era(Outdated while things have changed alot, esp with Hindutva in the mix) , with too much blame on Pakistan alone and not much on like 5 external forces acting at the time.
At the end 'I dont support imran either' Lmao
But this is off-topic stuff.
 

defenceman

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Hi,
most of these analysts are not even up to date about Pakistan’s capabilities
against the IAF after getting Rafale, they might know something about PAF
as a institute but the Arsenal and gadgets which Pakistan airforce or land
or naval forces are using are new for the world as been supplied by China and
not been battled tested before, so until unless you have direct link with CIA kind
of agency you don’t have a first handle knowledge about Chinese weapons
but now all of a sudden every other analyst is a knowledgeable person against those
weapons
thank you
 
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