India incursion and Chinese standoff at Dolam, Bhutan

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Hendrik_2000

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I am not sure if Indian want to escalate limited war into full scale war as if China doesn't have the mean to counter it
I don't want to put too much weight what this Won dong guy has to say. He is a dissident and has been bad mouthing PLA
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Chinese and Indian troops are readying themselves for a possible armed conflict in the event they fail in their efforts to achieve a peaceful resolution to their border dispute on the Doklam plateau in the Himalayas, observers said.

On Friday, India’s defence minister Arun Jaitley told parliament that the country’s armed forces are “prepared to take on any eventuality” of the stand-off, Indian Expressreported the same day.

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Sources close to the Chinese military, meanwhile, said that the People’s Liberation Army is increasingly aware of the possibility of war, but will aim to limit any conflict to the level of skirmishes, such as those contested by India and Pakistan in Kashmir.

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“The PLA will not seek to fight a ground war with Indian troops early on. Instead it will deploy aircraft and strategic missiles to paralyse Indian mountain divisions stationed in the Himalayas on the border with China,” a military insider told the South China Morning Post on condition of anonymity, adding that he believes Indian troops will probably hold out for “no more than a week”.

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Another military source said that officers and troops from the Western Theatre Command have already been told to prepare for war with India over the Doklam crisis.

“There is a voice within the army telling it to fight because it was Indian troops that intruded into Chinese territory in Donglang [Doklam],” the second source said. “Such a voice is supported by the public.”

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Both sources said that China’s military believes any conflict will be controlled, and not spill over into other disputed areas, of which there are currently three along the 2,000km border between the two Asian giants.

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However, Indian defence experts warned that once the first shot is fired, the conflict may escalate into full-scale war. That in turn could result in New Delhi blockading China’s maritime lifeline in the Indian Ocean.

“Any Chinese military adventurism will get a fitting reply from the Indian military,” Dr Rajeev Ranjan Chaturvedy, a research associate at the Institute of South Asian Studies at the National University of Singapore, told the Post.

“Certainly, it will be detrimental for both, but if Beijing escalates [the conflict], it will not be limited. Perhaps, it may extend to the maritime domain as well,” he said.

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“If China engages in a military offensive against India, New Delhi will take all necessary measures ... [and will] respond to Chinese actions in its own way. Why only a border war? It could escalate to a full-scale India-China war,” he said.

Rajeswari Rajagopalan, a defence analyst from the Observer Research Foundation think tank in New Delhi, said that “in the event of a full-scale war, definitely India’s navy will prevent the Chinese navy from moving into the Bay of Bengal or the Indian Ocean.”

China is heavily reliant on imported fuel and, according to figures published by state media, more than 80 per cent of its oil imports travel via the Indian Ocean or Strait of Malacca.

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Beijing-based naval expert Li Jie said that India in 2010 established a naval base in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands, close to the Strait of Malacca, where the narrowest sea channel is just 1.7km wide.

“Since 2010, India has also upgraded two airstrips on the islands to serve fighters and reconnaissance aircraft,” he said.

“All these moves pave the way for India to be able to blockade Chinese military and commercial ships from entering the Indian Ocean in the event of a naval conflict between the two countries.”

In July, India, the United States and Japan completed their 10-day Malabar 2017 naval exercise in the Bay of Bengal, while around the same time the US approved the US$365-million sale of military transport aircraft to India and a US$2-billion deal for surveillance drones.

As a result, the Indian navy now has eight Boeing P-8A Poseidon submarine hunters patrolling in the Indian Ocean.

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omarbuzz

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India was not afraid to take over Doklam.
This is a defeat for China.
Every day the defeat gets worse.

What India did is simply amazing.
India took land that China claimed belongs to it
without firing a shot!

Soldiers can be brave only if they have a brave commander-in-chief. Indian soldiers have that in Modi who showed he got balls in 2002 when he directed the killing of Muslims in Gujarat when he was Chief Minister of that state.
 
assuming
Raj posted this pic
Ammunition point South of Rikaze activated. Hectic activities seen on 8/6/17

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Rikaze =
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it would be about 300 km by the main road to
Yadong Town(Chomo/Yatung/下司马镇)

Doka Pass is approximately marked by red x (in the middle bottom):
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and LOL for those like me who are new to the region, Mt. Everest and Lhasa are also included
 
India was not afraid to take over Doklam.
This is a defeat for China.
Every day the defeat gets worse.

What India did is simply amazing.
India took land that China claimed belongs to it
without firing a shot!

Soldiers can be brave only if they have a brave commander-in-chief. Indian soldiers have that in Modi who showed he got balls in 2002 when he directed the killing of Muslims in Gujarat when he was Chief Minister of that state.
LOL! not sure if
omarbuzz
is an Indian ultra or a Troll, but
#3159 omarbuzz, Mar 28, 2013
If the news of the Su-35 purchase were true, Indians of
the bharat-rakshak forum would be proven true:
the J-20 is just a plastic and plywood contraption.
J-20 is not just plastic and plywood as far as I know
 

Yvrch

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Registered Member
India was not afraid to take over Doklam.
This is a defeat for China.
Every day the defeat gets worse.

What India did is simply amazing.
India took land that China claimed belongs to it
without firing a shot!

Soldiers can be brave only if they have a brave commander-in-chief. Indian soldiers have that in Modi who showed he got balls in 2002 when he directed the killing of Muslims in Gujarat when he was Chief Minister of that state.

LoL must be a bhakt or sanghi kutta, thus highly praising a feku.
Half the population like Muslims, dalits, Kasmiris, Gujaratis, Marathis, Assamese, Bangalis won't miss you.
 
I am not sure if Indian want to escalate limited war into full scale war as if China doesn't have the mean to counter it
I don't want to put too much weight what this Won dong guy has to say. He is a dissident and has been bad mouthing PLA
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Since India is the military aggressor instigating this incident it is well worth considering if India is looking for excuses to escalate the situation into a wider if not full scale war with China.

I think that this is being used the same as Germany did with Poland in 1939 when they said that they want to build exterritorial road between Danzig and Western Prussia through Polish territory. Of course it was stupid idea from the start but Germans used it to stir up the nationalistic feeling against Poland in their country. Poland of course said no to such plans. And we all know that it wasn't about some stupid road - that war was for world's dominance\test their army and Germans had to start somewhere.

It looks all the same to me this time. I hope that nothing too serious will come from that and both sides will back off to what it was few months ago...

That's right India is behaving like Germany did with Poland in 1939, looking to take over Bhutan as it did with Sikkim.
 
Yesterday at 3:11 AM
Based on one journalist contacting the Bhutan foreign ministry
In other WORD NOT BHUTAN OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
It become he said she said !
Press Release
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June 29, 2017
In view of the many queries raised recently in the media regarding the Bhutan – China boundary in the Doklam area the Ministry of Foreign Affairs would like to convey the following:

On 16th June 2017, the Chinese Army started constructing a motorable road from Dokola in the Doklam area towards the Bhutan Army camp at Zompelri. Boundary talks are ongoing between Bhutan and China and we have written agreements of 1988 and 1998 stating that the two sides agree to maintain peace and tranquility in their border areas pending a final settlement on the boundary question, and to maintain status quo on the boundary as before March 1959. The agreements also state that the two sides will refrain from taking unilateral action, or use of force, to change the status quo of the boundary.

Bhutan has conveyed to the Chinese side, both on the ground and through the diplomatic channel, that the construction of the road inside Bhutanese territory is a direct violation of the agreements and affects the process of demarcating the boundary between our two countries. Bhutan hopes that the status quo in the Doklam area will be maintained as before 16 June 2017.
it has been the official (here it is as of right now:
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)

now you,
Hendrik_2000
do you still uphold Wednesday at 6:21 PM
...
According to Chinese military spokes person Bhutan acknowledge Doklam is chinese territory

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Beijing: In a stunning – but unsubstantiated – claim, a senior Chinese official said today (August 8) that Bhutan has acknowledged that the Doklam area where the Indian and Chinese troops are engaged in a stand-off does not belong to it.

China’s top diplomat on the boundary issue, Wang Wenli, told a visiting Indian media delegation that Bhutan has conveyed to Beijing through the diplomatic channels that the area of the stand-off is not its territory.

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vesicles

Colonel
Yesterday at 3:11 AM

Press Release
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June 29, 2017
it has been the official (here it is as of right now:
qfyCL.jpg
)

now you,
Hendrik_2000
do you still uphold Wednesday at 6:21 PM
?

My understanding has always been that the Doklam is disputed between Bhutan and China. I don't think anyone is denying such dispute. Of course, having a dispute means each side would naturally insist that the land belongs to them. That's why you see both Bhutanese and Chinese governments claim Doklam is their territory.

The problem now is India:
1) India insists that it is helping Bhutan at Bhutan's request. According to the Indians, Bhutan asked them to send in troops to intervene China's construction.

------- however, to this day, Bhutan has not officially acknowledged such request. Even in the official statement posted on Bhutansse government website (shown above), they did not even mention India. Not even once.

If you asked your friend to help you and your friend got into a hot mess because of it, shouldn't you at least show your support to your friend? The least Bhutanese government can do is to let the world know that, indeed, India is helping them at their request.

Yet, Bhutan has not said a thing. Even in their official statement, which was made "in view of the many queries", they didn't mention India once. This is especially telling given the fact that Bhutan is a "protected state" of India.

2) India claims that building a road so close to their borders threatens them. So they sent in troops to halt the construction.

------ that should not be an excuse to invade another country. SK is setting up THAAD missile defense system that is threatening China. Should China send troops into SK and stop the construction? Obviously no.

With the same logic, India should never invade another country just because they feel threatened. At least don't say it in public. When you tell people you are doing something because you are scared, it tells people you are weak and pathetic.
 

kwaigonegin

Colonel
India was not afraid to take over Doklam.
This is a defeat for China.
Every day the defeat gets worse.

What India did is simply amazing.
India took land that China claimed belongs to it
without firing a shot!

Soldiers can be brave only if they have a brave commander-in-chief. Indian soldiers have that in Modi who showed he got balls in 2002 when he directed the killing of Muslims in Gujarat when he was Chief Minister of that state.

Your post is trollish and perhaps you meant it that way however I won't disagree with what you said. As foolish as it sounds, nothing you said is incorrect.
I would however add a couple more words to one of your sentence.. and that is, 'What India did is simply amazingly stupid and illegal'.

Bravery is a double edge sword.
Bravery and honor is good, bravery and recklessness is dangerous and dumb.
 
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