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takwb

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A worthwhile read from Ray Dalio about the USA and China relationship. (Maybe try incognito mode if you don't want to login to your linkedin account. Seem to work for me)

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I used to read every book and article he published.

But increasingly he seems like an AngSax Imperialism apologist to me. He continues to state that the US is "pushing its values" (democracy, capitalism, blah blah blah), whereas it's been exceedingly clear to those not infected by the empire's lies to know that "values" are just the excuse needed to topple governments, launching genocidical invasions and robbing others' natural and human resources.

It's the tiny fig leave that enable the AngSax empire to bypass international conventions, laws, and basic human decency.
 

Michaelsinodef

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I used to read every book and article he published.

But increasingly he seems like an AngSax Imperialism apologist to me. He continues to state that the US is "pushing its values" (democracy, capitalism, blah blah blah), whereas it's been exceedingly clear to those not infected by the empire's lies to know that "values" are just the excuse needed to topple governments, launching genocidical invasions and robbing others' natural and human resources.

It's the tiny fig leave that enable the AngSax empire to bypass international conventions, laws, and basic human decency.
It's because he is at the end of the day, part of the US 'elite'.

He can benefit when the US 'pushes it values' such as democracy and capitalism, democracy because it weakens governments while also making it much easier for bribery etc. and capitalism ofc because he is a capitalist and know how to play 'with it' and the 'rules of capitalism', basically easier time for him to earn money.

As for why he often writes about China to the point he is called a 'wumao', likely because he has many investments and money invested in China, which he might not really have an easy time with getting out of China (not to mention selling off stuff might have to be done at a small loss, along with potential future loss if the sold off stuff rises in value in the future).
 

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BBC News - US and South Korea agree key nuclear weapons deal
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I have to admit that's a genius move by the US. Get SK to say they feel threatened and want to develop nuclear weapons, then along comes the US to say the US will deploy nuclear subs around the Korean peninsula to protect SK in exchange for SK agreeing not to develop nukes.

Obviously the US would never allow SK to develop nukes but now have a prefect excuse to deploy nuke subs to counter obviously not NK but China.

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Temstar

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BBC News - US and South Korea agree key nuclear weapons deal
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I have to admit that's a genius move by the US. Get SK to say they feel threatened and want to develop nuclear weapons, then along comes the US to say the US will deploy nuclear subs around the Korean peninsula to protect SK in exchange for SK agreeing not to develop nukes.

Obviously the US would never allow SK to develop nukes but now have a prefect excuse to deploy nuke subs to counter obviously not NK but China.

Edit: China and Russia need to convince Cuba to let them deploy nukes there. The US is playing fire.
I don't see the benefit of this. Are you actually going to launch SLBMs? No? Then PLAN thank you for contributing to their acoustic signature library.
 

Minm

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I noticed a lot of Eastern Europeans (that is the average joe type) have a total misconception of China based on their own history.
Because China is ruled by a "Communist Party", they are instantly coloured by the feelings of their own country's history which is frankly irrelevant to the discussion.

Many don't seem to grasp the fundamental difference (probably due to ignorance of history) that the rule of the Communist Party was not something forced onto China by an outside power like the USSR, but something literally implemented by choice through spilled blood.

On top of this, basically the Chinese Communists and Soviet Communists had no relationship after Stalin's death, this is why they had such radical differences in policy reforms.

Since the USA can take a lot of responsibility for the collapse of the USSR, many Eastern Europeans are thankful for being "freed from communism", and to be honest, rightfully so. Most of them have very little interest in going back to that system. However China is fine with being "communist", so it is easy to make a bogeyman out of them.
The opposite problem might exist in China. The average person in China doesn't realise that communism in Eastern Europe didn't have the support of the masses but was essentially a colonial system in which countries were made to serve Moscow. When they rebelled, like Hungary and Czechoslovakia, the Russians invaded. China was also worried about a Soviet intervention in China with millions of Soviet troops stationed in outer Manchuria and Mongolia.

If China wanted to highlight something it has in common with eastern European countries, it's the struggle against Soviet revisionism and imperialism. We might have a more positive view today, but the Soviet Union was once a dangerous enemy
 

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I don't see the benefit of this. Are you actually going to launch SLBMs? No? Then PLAN thank you for contributing to their acoustic signature library.
Missiles can shorter time to target. Even Putin cited that Ukraine-based NATO missiles can hit Moscow in like 10 minutes or less, as one of main justification for invasion...and world almost ended over the whole Cuban missile crisis too
 

Breadbox

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Anglo Americans were too scared to fight the Russians in Ukraine and yet they’re all too eager to fight China? Seems the racism is just *that strong that they believe white supremacy can prevail against hypersonic missiles
The Russian are not afraid to threaten the use of their nuclear weapons, while China does flabby shit like no first use and minimal deterrence, I can say without a shadow of a doubt that Chinese leader are alot more suckered in by anglo lies than we like.
 

Overbom

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The Russian are not afraid to threaten the use of their nuclear weapons, while China does flabby shit like no first use and minimal deterrence, I can say without a shadow of a doubt that Chinese leader are alot more suckered in by anglo lies than we like.
"Flabby shit" China is on its way to become a superpower while the "not afraid" Russia is bleeding with no end on sight.

Chinese leaders are a lot smarter than you give them credit for. But yes, the minimal deterrence program is outdated and China is already investing on increasing its nuclear stockpile
 

birdlikefood

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The Russian are not afraid to threaten the use of their nuclear weapons, while China does flabby shit like no first use and minimal deterrence, I can say without a shadow of a doubt that Chinese leader are alot more suckered in by anglo lies than we like.
China is almost the country with the strongest ability to resist nuclear strikes in the world.

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China's ability to resist nuclear strikes is not just a geographical advantage, but a continuous infrastructure construction in the western and southern mountains that has lasted for more than 60 years. Every major mountain area in the country can form a complex of agricultural and underground industries with a reasonable ratio. Compared with the geographical endowment of the two major mountain ranges and the central Great Plains of the United States, China's western and southern distributed industrial and agricultural self-sustaining capabilities are absolutely terrifying to opponents. In addition to the military underground projects that China has been building since the 1960s, China also has a large number of tunnel groups under solid granite rocks, and a large number of distributed areas that can be used for animal husbandry and planting are arranged around them. Farmland and woodland. The abundant hydropower resources in the mountainous areas of the southwest can meet most of the wartime energy needs. However, even in the relatively fragile eastern and southern urban agglomerations, almost every building in the city is compelled to construct a large number of underground civil defense fortifications (usually two layers), which can withstand medium-yield nuclear weapons at a certain distance. Airburst inside. There are more than 2,000 such cities, and almost half of them have their own basic self-sustaining light industry system (capable of processing food, producing fertilizer and daily industrial supplies). Of course, there are also unquantifiable advantages such as organizational strength and huge mobilization capabilities that vary according to different systems, but far exceed the advantages of the United States.

China may lose a quarter of its population, but China will still be China. But there is a considerable possibility that the United States will cease to exist due to civil unrest.
 
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