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He's looking at the situation without the rose colored glasses and purely fro a "REALIST IR PERSPECTIVE" and that's ought to be allowed for anyone here to hold, have, and think of this excellent partnership between China and Russia.
I also don't want China to become US 2.0 which essentially "out with the old bastard only to be replaced with another bastard even worst than the last one" situation. But let's not be too naive and so certain that future leaders in China will not succumb or tempted in copying some aspects of American foreign policy when China becomes unquestionably more powerful in all aspects in say 50 years. For now, China and GenSec Xi will not act like a bully or will even attempt to lord over Russia because that simply would not work and is counterproductive to China's vision for a more equitable multipolar world.
There're three key points to the China-Russia relations right now:
1) they have a common goal of ending the US-led global order and transform it into multipolar system;
2) they have complementary economic structures - Russia is a large exporter of natural resources and energy but has limited manufacturing in many sectors, while China wants resources and is a large exporter of both finished products & tools;
3) China has more leverage in negotiations because Russia has a limited choice and they are all 'worse' than China but that doesn't make Russia a vassal.
The rest is mostly speculation and semantics. Yes, this started as a marriage of convenience but we will see how it will evolve down the line. Even if it stays at that level, I'm sure that's acceptable for both Russia and China as long as they reach their goal of dismantling the Western-centric world order.
Comparing Canada to Russia is also quite stupid - economically they may be similar but the former basically has no military compared to the US while Russia is still 3rd/4th military in the world and has the largest nuclear stockpile, which makes it far more valuable as a partner.
1) they have a common goal of ending the US-led global order and transform it into multipolar system;
2) they have complementary economic structures - Russia is a large exporter of natural resources and energy but has limited manufacturing in many sectors, while China wants resources and is a large exporter of both finished products & tools;
3) China has more leverage in negotiations because Russia has a limited choice and they are all 'worse' than China but that doesn't make Russia a vassal.
The rest is mostly speculation and semantics. Yes, this started as a marriage of convenience but we will see how it will evolve down the line. Even if it stays at that level, I'm sure that's acceptable for both Russia and China as long as they reach their goal of dismantling the Western-centric world order.
Comparing Canada to Russia is also quite stupid - economically they may be similar but the former basically has no military compared to the US while Russia is still 3rd/4th military in the world and has the largest nuclear stockpile, which makes it far more valuable as a partner.
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Another bubble is in the making with Bitcoin Ponzi Scheme continues to fester as there are too much excess money flowing around the financial system. People and herds just don't learn after all the bankruptcy, meltdown and frauds related with cryptocurrency.
This makes sense, I accept this argument. So lets go and see where in my post I said
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Given others reaction I suppose your objections are on me saying "junior partner". If its that, tbh, although your point stands that I should respond based on what I wrote on my first post, I will have to point you to my responses to solarz on that matter. They encapsulate a summary of my thoughts on this specific issue. I am not going to write it again because it will be duplicated effort.
So moving on, maybe you also take offense at the "economic colony" phrase. This was partly addressed on one of my posts to solarz on how Russia will heavily depend on Chinese high-tech in the coming years. Something new which I didn't write before is that Putin himself has said that they will freely allow Chinese companies to enter Russia's market. Expect the Western market share to be captured by China. This would allow China to do what every industrialised country does to everyone else, dump its products to their markets.
The economic colony phrase certainly carries negative meaning but I also found it as the most accurate. I will avoid using it in the future, if you have any good alternative word, I would be open to using it.
On this section you probably mean the last sentence where you think I advocate for interference in internal affairs aka USA 2.0. My thoughts are a lot more complex than that surface reading. I expanded a bit on them in a later post in response to someone else (CMP maybe?) who actually had a better idea than mine which I prefer tbh. My overall point was for a more sustainable partnership in the future.
Btw, before throwing random words, you should at least know what relationship China and Russia currently have. The official Chinese diplomatic position is that China and Russia are not allies. If you dont even know what type of relations Russia and China have with each other, what makes you think you know enough to talk about more complicated aspects of their relationship.
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Widespread Western propaganda to manipulate words to feed their narrative all the time, doesn't change their original meaning.
For example:
- "Social credit system" now implies "Police State" and "Tyranny", even though it has a completely innocuous definition.
- "Re-education vocation centers" now implies "Cultural Genocide" and "Internment camps", even though it has a completely innocuous definition.
- "Chinese weather balloons" now implies "Surveillance" and "Espionage", even though by original definition, it is completely innocuous .
- "Win-Win Cooperation" is now implies "China winning, US lose" even though by original definition, it is completely innocuous .
As I said in a previous post, my analysis is that short-medium term China won't use that power. Even on long term, which is always uncertain and unknown to everyone, I still lean towards China still not using it.
There is no need to lord over Russia because the current arrangement is good. China buys resources from Russia (increasingly with its own currency, big win), Russia has decided/forced(by the Ukrainian war) to use the Chinese currency to trade with the rest of the world (supports China's currency, big win).
What else can Russia offer? Western propaganda of the old lost territories? China would be extremely stupid to go for something like that. The current situation is perfect, Russia by its own will, with zero Chinese pressure, has fallen to China's lap thanks to the West's idiotic actions lol.
From a IR perspective, China has been dealt a perfect IR hand, and without even needing to do anything. All thanks to Uncle Sam
Good, my calls are printing money. Always knew that the FED would chicken out lol
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Lol, useless testimony.