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Phead128

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In what firm are you a junior partner and don't need to follow the decisions of the senior partners?
International relations is not like a business/firm?

Junior partners can always switch firms once new opportunity presents itself, whereas vassals can't pick and choose their masters.

I mean if you look up the way feudalism works, vassals are pretty much the definition of junior partners to their liege.
Nice, so my boss is a Feudal Lord, and I am his vassal. You do understand I can quit my job at anytime, but vassals can't right? To the extent I have to follow my boss orders to make rent, I will, but I am free to quit at anytime I want. That's the difference between a junior partner and a vassal. One of imbalance of power vs. complete submission to authority/subordination.
 

pmc

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So going by this official definition, we can say Russia is slowly evolving to becoming an economic junior partner of China, while in military and diplomatic sphere, Russia is still fully independent of China.
Russia still has trade surplus with China after taking the first economics blow of sanctions. if this second cold war continue over the years very similar sanctions will apply on China. can China maintain its economic relations with Russia when China is under prolong sanctions?
Russia is investing in its trade routes and manufacturing that will make it more suitable partner for Mideast.
Those sitting in Mideast knows how to play this coldwar out.
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Lethe

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It's already causing further effects in Latin America:

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Hol' up a minute.

AMLO said the U.S. government’s destruction of the Nord Stream pipelines and the ongoing political persecution of WikiLeaks publisher Julian Assange...

The Mexican President is endorsing Seymour Hersh's story about the US blowing up the Nord Stream pipelines? Is this a first from a head of state?
 
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Temstar

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We already know that Xi meeting with Putin is huge. But hey, the Chinese delegates eating KFC is much much much more important!!! Just like Xi's two teacups' power projection!!!

Oh so that's what the Guanqi people were talking about with KFC. Isn't KFC out of Russia now and replace with some local brand? How come they still got the bags with the colonel on them?
 

Overbom

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Irrelevant deflection.
What irrelevant deflection? You yourself used your marriage as a point to reinforce your post. Your point, as expected, fell flat because it doesn't make sense in international relations. There was no deflection, its simply countering your arguments.

So with that settled, lets move on:
Cooperation by definition means you depend on your partner or team for their abilities and contributions. This applies equally to marriages, businesses, society, and international relations.
No it doesn't. Again, relations between countries are different than businesses/society/marriages. The only one that could come a bit close is businesses but even there there are huge differences. Marriages are mostly based on love, society based on cultural outputs mostly, business is mostly about money.
Countries however, is about power. With power, then you can get everything else. Whereas people might get influenced by money/culture/love, countries' biggest concern is power/security. If power is not enough, they wouldn't bat an eye to turn over the table. That's your (one of the many) difference here, hopefully you won't use these flawed comparisons again with this short explanation.

Junior partnership means one partner makes the decisions while the other follows.
No. What you describe is vassalage. I pay attention to what words I am using, and as should you. What you describe is vassalage, what I say is junior (economic/diplomatic) partner. The junior partner won't accept blanket orders from the senior partner, but the senior partner has various tools and ways though to influence the decision making of the junior partner if the senior partner wishes to do so.

So far, you have repeatedly demonstrate a lack of careful reading. First with your NATO post in the beginning which I hadn't mentioned anywhere, then again with this where you describe vassalage, whereas I said junior partner.

In addition you demonstrated your lack of knowledge on International Relations. First with your irrelevant and very bad, I have no idea how this comparison came up to you, marriage-countries comparison in your initial post. And then, when pointed that your comparison was leaking water from everywhere, you countered with a simple "Irrelevant deflection", which also shows lack of accepting a mistake or admission that maybe you made a mistake somewhere. You then doubled down and compared marriages/businesses/society relations with countries which again, is a bad comparison.

That's 2 flaws far. Lack of carefully reading the other party's posts, and lack of knowledge of how international relations work. The second flaw is not bad or anything, my pushback however is generated with how confident you are that your points are correct, and when pushed to explain you throw these bad arguments. In general, being incorrect is ok, being confidently incorrect is the issue

Given that after I made a follow-up post that specifically said where your arguments were lacking, and you responded basically with the same flawed arguments, I don't see any point of moving forward with this convo. No need to spam the thread when one party says he found holes in your arguments, you conveniently ignore it ("irrelevant deflection") or you keep up with the same flawed argument (marriages/society/business - countries relations)
 
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