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Is there some truth and logic to this plan? What would China prefer, a quick win for Russia in Ukraine or a pronged war until the Taiwan scenario?

Because if China starts supplying Russia with weapons it's a near game over for the West. They can't outproduce China in any way, they barely keep up with 10 times smaller Russia.

I mean for China to supply weapons to Russia through Belorussia so as to avoid a bad rep. with the rest of the world.

I think China doesn't want the West to restart its military-industrial production there she doesn't want a prolonged war in Ukraine.

Then all of that restarted production could be switched to Taiwan in 2025 and 2027 away from Russia.

However, if Russia wins the war quickly, then there would be less reason for the West to restart their military production, or at least not on that scale

And if Russia wins, it would collapse Western dominance even more in the world, making it easier for them to side with China on Taiwan later.
 
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Serb said:



Is there some truth and logic to this plan? What would China prefer, a quick win for Russia in Ukraine or a pronged war until the Taiwan scenario?

Because if China starts supplying Russia with weapons it's a near game over for the West. They can't outproduce China in any way, they barely keep up with 10 times smaller Russia.

I mean for China to supply weapons to Russia through Belorussia so as to avoid a bad rep. with the rest of the world.

I think China doesn't want the West to restart its military-industrial production there she doesn't want a prolonged war in Ukraine.

Then all of that restarted production could be switched to Taiwan in 2025 and 2027 away from Russia.

However, if Russia wins the war quickly, then there would be less reason for the West to restart their military production, or at least not on that scale

And if Russia wins, it would collapse Western dominance even more in the world, making it easier for them to side with China on Taiwan later.
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Russia is going to mostly want the prestige of fighting and prevailing without being carried. Because they could trade that for a lot of credit later.

I think currently China is perfectly fine simply fortifying itself at home while continuing to observe the Russia situation.

China wants to keep an intact and working international system, so they're not going to excessively pick sides or break rules. What they would do is to prepare for the west to break rules first and then move in to punish them for it.

On the Russia front, China can wait until the west goes completely unhinged and does something indefensible. Of course, should Russia be pushed back, China is obliged to give them a certain amount of support to hold the lines, but that isn't an issue right now.

On the homefront, China will use a fortress strategy and amass defensive weapons. Dare America into firing the first shot.
 
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olalavn said:
Russia only have 17,098,246 square kilometres :rolleyes:
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This always comes up every time. Chinese airlines mostly carries Chinese traffic. unless they think Europeans should not fly in them at all for transit to Asia . Mideastern Airlines carry much more transit traffic and they have huge advantage in terms of routes, subsidies and plucking crew and maintenance. that gap will keep increasing as Mideastern Airlines orders both Boeing and Airbus. so practically all assembly lines of world are in service of them. Europe will become so poor that they will manufacture stuff only to serve Mideast. France already importing Titanium for aviation from US. just because some thing is manufactured in Europa does not mean that scientific knowledge behind it is from Europa. These Europeans cannot develop semiconductor process even with American leadership so that thing has to move to Israel for advance development in 70s. This Ukraine conflict will destroy the human capital of Eastern Europe and make Germany depended to look outside. Scholz already said Indians not need to learn German to come to work in Germany. Greater Indian influence in Europa the better for Mideast. It is basically repeat of the words of UAE advisor. Its all about Germany.
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At the same time, he recalled that Israel is in a "unique position" because 600,000 Jews live in Russia, so in this respect, Israel differs from other countries. For the country, Russia is a "pivotal player in our region." With all this in mind, Israel is doing the best it can, he stressed. Iranian weapons are killing European civilians in Ukraine, he noted, so mow the Ukrainian people and the Israeli people face the same threat. It's time to act, Cohen emphasized.
He noted that there are two options on the table: expansion of sanctions, but also a "credible military option." Based on what the intelligence says, now is "the right time to work on these two steps," he added. Only joint decisive action can stop the regime, emphasized Cohen and called on Germany to recognize the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution as a terrorist organization.
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I am sure Ursula know it.
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Serb said:



Is there some truth and logic to this plan? What would China prefer, a quick win for Russia in Ukraine or a pronged war until the Taiwan scenario?

Because if China starts supplying Russia with weapons it's a near game over for the West. They can't outproduce China in any way, they barely keep up with 10 times smaller Russia.

I mean for China to supply weapons to Russia through Belorussia so as to avoid a bad rep. with the rest of the world.

I think China doesn't want the West to restart its military-industrial production there she doesn't want a prolonged war in Ukraine.

Then all of that restarted production could be switched to Taiwan in 2025 and 2027 away from Russia.

However, if Russia wins the war quickly, then there would be less reason for the West to restart their military production, or at least not on that scale

And if Russia wins, it would collapse Western dominance even more in the world, making it easier for them to side with China on Taiwan later.
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I think neither China nor Belarus are going to join the fight in Ukraine unless Ukraine attacks Belarus first. In that case, China sending weapons to Belarus is for self-defence, perfectly legal within UN framework. Having Chinese weapons flowing to Russia through Belarus does not serve the interests of either Belarus or China.

The significance of this visit is to tell the west to stay out of Belarus, also build the argument for China's more forceful involvement if necessary.
 
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xypher said:
White boys on Reddit are already in full copium mode - https://www.reddit.com/r/Economics/comments/11evahd
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Hmm, they argue it is because China was closed down. Jokes on them, 2022 was an all-time high for Chinese industrial production too.
On year on year basis, only April saw a contraction. And if anything it is the US data which is unreliable, considering almost every single prediction of the FED and Biden Admin was proven wrong in 2022.

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solarz

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ACuriousPLAFan said:
Perhaps last week's amendment of some provisions in China's Criminal Procedure Law for the PLA troops during wartime by the Standing Committee of the NPC is one of the indicators?

I'm surprised at how nobody is discussing about this. According to what I can scout, the amendments could mean that during wartime, PLA troops will be granted immunity for certain actions that are deemed unlawful during peacetime. One of the possible explanations is as follows:
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Any idea what the blurred out words say?
 
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