The War in the Ukraine

Temstar

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Something a bit strange is going on in Soledar, either AFU decided to not retreat during the night after all or some units didn't get the message or something. There are still some defenders left and they are dangerously close to being encircled judging from Russian movements.

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Western media is already calling it.
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You might have also heard Prigozhin the Wagner boss had this to say yesterday:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1612923040756539394
The entire territory of Soledar has been taken under control — Prigozhin

Units of PMC "Wagner" took control of the entire territory of Soledar. In addition, a cauldron was formed in the center of the city, in which the remains of the UAF militants are located. According to Prigozhin, the number of prisoners will be announced tomorrow.
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A number I see thrown around is 500 in the encirclement. Prigozhin apparently issued an ultimatium to those in the encirclement but we don't know what the status of that is. Twitter is full of people who both say it's accepted and rejected.

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Russian forces have not captured the entirety of Soledar despite several false Russian claims that the city has fallen and that Bakhmut risks imminent encirclement. Several Russian sources claimed that Wagner Group forces advanced into the west of Soledar on January 10.[18] Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin refuted these claims, remarking that Wagner Group forces are still fighting against concerted Ukrainian resistance.[19] ISW has only observed visual confirmation of Wagner Group forces in central Soledar as of January 10.[20] The reality of block-by-block control of terrain in Soledar is obfuscated by the dynamic nature of urban combat, however, and Russian forces have largely struggled to make significant tactical gains in the Soledar area for months. Even taking the most generous Russian claims at face value, the capture of Soledar would not portend an immediate encirclement of Bakhmut. Control of Soledar will not necessarily allow Russian forces to exert control over critical Ukrainian ground lines of communication (GLOCs) into Bakhmut, as ISW has previously assessed.[21]
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This is of interest to me because I think looking at how AFU conducts an retreat when the cards are down will tell us a lot about their current status. I'm watching closely how this encirclement thing will turn out.
 
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Tam

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Iskander takes out a Ukrainian Buk. In a previously posted video, an Iskander takes out a Pion artillery.


Not artillery, this one an ATGM taking out a Ukrainian vehicle in the distance.


This one might be a Kornet ATGM with a thermobaric warhead hitting a squad of Ukrainian soldiers.


Vampire MLRS being taken out by Lancet.



Thermobaric TOS does its job. This is why this weapons vaporizes defensive fortifications.

 
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Temstar said:
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You might have also heard Prigozhin the Wagner boss had this to say yesterday:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1612923040756539394

A number I see thrown around is 500 in the encirclement. Prigozhin apparently issued an ultimatium to those in the encirclement but we don't know what the status of that is. Twitter is full of people who both say it's accepted and rejected.

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This is of interest to me because I think looking at how AFU conducts an retreat when the cards are down will tell us a lot about their current status. I'm watching closely how this encirclement thing will turn out.
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this is where a second echelon based on the soviet doctrine would be useful for the russians, with Ukrainians in disarray they can gain a lot of ground west of soledar and bakhmut, especially the high ground which they will need to not fall into the same trap as the ukrainians have.
 
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Atomicfrog

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Tam said:
Not artillery, this one an ATGM taking out a Ukrainian vehicle in the distance.


This one might be a Kornet ATGM with a thermobaric warhead hitting a squad of Ukrainian soldiers.

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Give us another view of high ground position advantages. Some post on twitter are interesting on this subject. With some topographic map, you can see how troops creeping their way in ridge can give the upper hand on vast superficies. Bakhmut is clearly in a valley like most urban zone in that kind of topography, you build where the rivers plains are, less on slopes and hills.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1529191305665990656
 
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The calibre different.

By number they produced lot, but the overal mass of those wasn't near like today.

Example, a small 60 mm calibre round weight 6kg finished, the 155mm 40+ kg.

MEans it require diferent size of machine, slower handling and so on.
The size of the power hammers example drastically different.

And of course the raw material heavier than the finished round.
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I don't think the size of munitions plays an important role. They'll take more steel/brass per shell but raw materials are negligible, it's labour/production costs that are the limiting factor.

There were significant problems in shell production in WW1, which required nationalisation of factories and draconian measures to increase production. The UK had a pretty infamous shells crisis of 1915.

A market economy can't be compared to a state controlled war economy.
 
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