The War in the Ukraine

baykalov

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Those troops are literally retreating from Russian recognized ground. How is this not a massive loss?

Tactical retreat, as reported by Surovikin himself, to avoid entrapment in case of possible sabotage of Kakhovka Dam by AFU, followed by major flooding of the area.
 

tankphobia

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So, one of the major aim of the war for Russia was to secure the water supply for Crimea, so now that they are giving up Kherson what's stopping Ukraine from blocking the water canal off again? We must reiterate much of this land that is being given up so easily was only gained because it was surrendered voluntarily. An operation to retake Kherson will be a massive undertaking and Russia likely won't be able to pull it off without another round of mobilization, they don't have the numbers.

We might be moving towards a negotiated peace after all.
 

Pmichael

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So, one of the major aim of the war for Russia was to secure the water supply for Crimea, so now that they are giving up Kherson what's stopping Ukraine from blocking the water canal off again? We must reiterate much of this land that is being given up so easily was only gained because it was surrendered voluntarily. An operation to retake Kherson will be a massive undertaking and Russia likely won't be able to pull it off without another round of mobilization, they don't have the numbers.

We might be moving towards a negotiated peace after all.

with all those successful tactical retreats there is no reason for Ukraine to negotiate anything.
And those claims that Ukraine loss rate is higher than Russia is just coping we heard since Spring. While more Ukrainian forces are trained properly in NATO states while Russia couldn’t properly equip their mobilized forces.
 

Atomicfrog

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Unless they retake all the lost ground in the coming months in a massive counteroffensive with the spared manpower and the newly mobilized elements, its just cope.
West bank of Dnipro was hard to keep with the bridges being easy targets, the dam blowing up would have deprieved Crimea of water, don't know how they will defend it if they give the west bank to Ukraine. It's clearly a big loss but I always seen that the west of Dnipro river was hard to take while east bank way easier. Ukraine not even need to finish blowing up that bridge and they keep Kherson city easily. Odessa will be hard to take big time, cannot see Russia trying to go there by sea.
 
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BlackWindMnt

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Like I predicted in June, Russia is likely ceding Kherson as a "goodwill gesture" for peace negotiations in exchange for formal recognition of Crimea/DPR/LNR etc...

This is not a strategic loss for Russia. So I wouldn't say it's a defeat for Russia, Russia captured Kherson at little-to-zero cost on day 8 or invasion because it was lightly defended, so giving it up as a bargaining chip is very smart, particular since it's very difficult to defend (West bank of Dniper river), and Russia extracted what essential human talent that matters. Remember, it's 80K new tax-payers in Russia, human talent is what matters, not land or territory (which is already bountiful in Russia proper), and Kherson is a useful bargaining chip for peace negotiations to gain Paper neutrality and recognition of DNR/LNR/Crimea.
Also the city will be empty of civilians, so when they go on the offensive in Kherson region again they might go in harder.
Ukraine wins a PR win for the west and might boast about it at the G20 during the US parts etc.

But time will tell what will happen in winter.
 
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