How many times it has been reported that Admiral Makarov has been sunk anyway?
The War in the Ukraine
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That one time back in May Ukrainians said they hit and sunk her near Snake Island with a Neptune missile.
I thought there was another time where they claim to have hit her with Grad rockets launched from land, but I double checked and that was Vasily Bykov (and it was also false).
I'm not ruling out that Admiral Makarov was hit this time. We still don't have visual confirmation one way or the other. My gut feeling says no though because if there's a ship smoking in Sevastopol we should have seen satellite photos of it by now and see people gloating about it.
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From the Russian Telegram channel "Intel Slava Z", I quote:
Today's missile strikes on the energy infrastructure were called "catastrophic" at an emergency meeting of the Ukrainian government in Kiev. If before that the Ukrainian power grid, albeit with the maximum voltage of generations and transformer substations, could provide electricity transmission throughout Ukraine, then, after today's strikes, a collapse occurred. More than forty key facilities of Ukraine's energy networks were hit. Among them are DneproGES, Yuzhnodnestrovskaya GES, Kanevskaya and Kremenchugskaya GES.
The damage assessment is ongoing, but it is already clear that to restore the functioning of the energy system, even in the minimum emergency mode, huge resources and equipment will be required, which Ukraine does not have.
In fact, Ukraine is on the verge of an energy collapse.
The missile attack on October 10 destroyed up to 15% (conservative estimate) of energy generating and energy transfer facilities. Today's strike disabled at least another 15% (conservative estimate) of such facilities, which will completely unbalance the operation of the unified energy grid of Ukraine. At the same time, up to 60% of all transformers of 330 kW networks were destroyed. So far, 750 kW networks are operating that receive electricity from Ukrainian nuclear power plants, but without step-down transformers they are useless. most industrial and household electrical equipment will simply burn out at this voltage. That is, generation electricity is produced, but it is impossible to use it.
The current blows are "catastrophic" because Ukraine can no longer effectively compensate for their consequences. And the next wave of missile strikes could finally plunge Ukraine into darkness.
Residents of Kiev can be relocated to other, more stable regions if the situation on the energy front becomes critical - said the head of the region Oleksiy Kuleba.
The result of missile strikes.
The following regions and cities were hit:
- Kiev
- Dnepropetrovsk
- Vinnitsa
- Zaporozhye
- Poltava
- Kharkiv
- Kirovograd
Attacks on important objects:
- CHPP-5 (Kiev)
- CHPP-6 (Kiev)
- Lviv CHP (Lviv)
- Kremenchug HPP
- Dneprovskaya HPP
- Novodnestrovskaya HPP
Metro in Kiev and Kharkov stopped. There is no electricity.
In many cities of Ukraine there are problems with water supply and electricity. In Kiev, the power plant that feeds 350,000 apartments was damaged.
The largest energy holding in Ukraine, DTEK, stated that most of the equipment for restoring the energy system of Ukraine was used up after the missile strikes of the Russian Armed Forces on October 10, and the purchase of a new one requires a lot of money and time.
Today's missile strikes on the energy infrastructure were called "catastrophic" at an emergency meeting of the Ukrainian government in Kiev. If before that the Ukrainian power grid, albeit with the maximum voltage of generations and transformer substations, could provide electricity transmission throughout Ukraine, then, after today's strikes, a collapse occurred. More than forty key facilities of Ukraine's energy networks were hit. Among them are DneproGES, Yuzhnodnestrovskaya GES, Kanevskaya and Kremenchugskaya GES.
The damage assessment is ongoing, but it is already clear that to restore the functioning of the energy system, even in the minimum emergency mode, huge resources and equipment will be required, which Ukraine does not have.
In fact, Ukraine is on the verge of an energy collapse.
The missile attack on October 10 destroyed up to 15% (conservative estimate) of energy generating and energy transfer facilities. Today's strike disabled at least another 15% (conservative estimate) of such facilities, which will completely unbalance the operation of the unified energy grid of Ukraine. At the same time, up to 60% of all transformers of 330 kW networks were destroyed. So far, 750 kW networks are operating that receive electricity from Ukrainian nuclear power plants, but without step-down transformers they are useless. most industrial and household electrical equipment will simply burn out at this voltage. That is, generation electricity is produced, but it is impossible to use it.
The current blows are "catastrophic" because Ukraine can no longer effectively compensate for their consequences. And the next wave of missile strikes could finally plunge Ukraine into darkness.
Residents of Kiev can be relocated to other, more stable regions if the situation on the energy front becomes critical - said the head of the region Oleksiy Kuleba.
The result of missile strikes.
The following regions and cities were hit:
- Kiev
- Dnepropetrovsk
- Vinnitsa
- Zaporozhye
- Poltava
- Kharkiv
- Kirovograd
Attacks on important objects:
- CHPP-5 (Kiev)
- CHPP-6 (Kiev)
- Lviv CHP (Lviv)
- Kremenchug HPP
- Dneprovskaya HPP
- Novodnestrovskaya HPP
Metro in Kiev and Kharkov stopped. There is no electricity.
In many cities of Ukraine there are problems with water supply and electricity. In Kiev, the power plant that feeds 350,000 apartments was damaged.
The largest energy holding in Ukraine, DTEK, stated that most of the equipment for restoring the energy system of Ukraine was used up after the missile strikes of the Russian Armed Forces on October 10, and the purchase of a new one requires a lot of money and time.
From where would such equipment be purchased?
I was curious and I see there are several manufacturers out there, though the biggest ones seem to be in China and Japan.
I also bumped into an article that mentions big transformers have a big lead time of at least a 1 year and can take a while to be built, up to two years.
At least three times. It should be able to theoretically resurface itself 6 more times before its out of extra lives, unless it collects green mushrooms between now and then.
We had the original sinking by MLRS with grainy video of an oil rig burning beyond the horizon as the verified proof (all mention of this one has been removed from wikipedia so we are probably not supposed to remember this attack on a civilian target where innocent people were killed and missing at sea) then the Neptune missile strike with no footage provided at all (just a misunderstanding) and now this current claim with still no evidence of its sinking or damage.
However already the narrative is starting to transform to it not being sunk, which means it's probable that hes fine and we'll know in a few days once the propaganda is sufficiently embedded among the western audience and enough people are reminded that Ukraine is actually winning
Just noticed this video was posted to reddit with the claim of it being a Russian helicopter
Without electricity it will be a bit challange.
However , in the old times it was a requirement for the electrical eqipment plans to have on site generator plant.
But, I am quite sure they sold it already decades ago.
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Implausible claims, but some military infrastructure was hit in Zaporozhye
Intensification of air activity in Rostov
Insights into today's strike
The issue of approving strikes at the port of Odessa is ongoing
The question of the mobilized:
I will add my 5 kopecks to the rumors about the mobilized. Problems, including with sending the mob to the front, were only in the first days. At that time, no one really understood how to cook and where to send the men, the crest rushed to Svatovo, there was some confusion. The front stabilized very quickly, communication was established, and the mob began to be prepared at the training grounds (somewhere better, somewhere worse, but generally normal).
In those places where the mobilized joined the normal combat units, they began to fight well, but here the mass Elephant FM began, aggravated by calls and letters from frightened women (moreover, crests take the most direct part in dispersing this hysteria). “Everyone abandoned us!”, “The commanders ran away!”.
A friend personally called me and said in hysterics that she had received a call from the front and was told that everyone needed to be rescued urgently, as "tanks and missiles are attacking them." When asked how they could call then, the girl embarrassedly answered that she did not know, maybe someone was sent to the rear with a phone for help.
So here's what I want to say. There is a war going on, the commanders of at least 20 OA and troops of the Central Military District are all in place, and rumors about heavy losses among the mob (they name 150 people at a time) are lies and elephant radio. There are those among the soldiers who really run away from positions and begin to broadcast such tales. Fortunately, there are not many of them, but they stink and shit like from a huge herd. Such cases should be dealt with by a military procurator.
Just now I was with Colonel Sh. in the first echelon and he complained: Look, they write and chat that there are no commanders on the front line, but who knows that I am here now? Even from the personnel, a dozen or two know about this, do I need to come in full dress, build a regiment and say that they say I'm here, 800 meters from the Ukrainian?
Let me summarize. There are problems, they always have them, for everyone, for any army. But rumors about heavy losses among the mob, that it is thrown like meat, and the commanders are sitting somewhere in Russia, are arrogant crap. At least in our direction, everything is exactly the same, and I think that in other directions the situation is similar.
I will add a few words about the mobilized.
Over the past month, I have become convinced that their training and skills, their combat readiness and behavior in real combat depend solely and exclusively on the commander of the unit in which they find themselves.
We don’t have any general training protocol for the mobilized, we don’t have a common coordination protocol, we are not some kind of NATO (as is known from the words of our "military experts", NATO soldiers do not know how to fight, they are all cowards and fools, yeah), this is all for us to nothing. We are, in our way, traditionally, so to speak, like grandfathers 80 years ago. Sometimes, I see that in the same helmets.
We don’t even have a procedure for using the copter at the platoon / company level, and now we all know why. Because copters are not in service with the army at all.
As a result, I know completely opposite stories. When the mobilized are taught practically nothing, well, except to march. And when a reconnaissance company of the mobilized is trained with military weapons, shooting, they work out with them real situations that the instructors themselves have recently gone through. There is only one reason. Officer. Either he is proactive or he doesn't care.
However, no. The mobilized also bear a share of responsibility for themselves. Even from letters I see two types of approach - or people complain about how they are not taught, and that they have nothing.
Or people tell how they demand from commanders to be taught, watch videos on communication and work with UAVs, and ask where to buy what is missing.
Some mobilized already, yes, are participating in the battles. And here the preparation factor again affects, and which commander is in place. I know how recently this fighting unit was replenished with mobilized. And literally the next day there was an attack by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The officers and soldiers, in fact, showed the mobilized an example of how to act. Those more or less calmly worked out what they were taught, someone remembered the skills of Caucasian companies. In short, yesterday's civilians, looking at the fact that more experienced soldiers, and even more so military officers, do not run, they hold the defense, they themselves fired, pierced enemy equipment. Bottom line: the attack bogged down.
And not just mobilized, but real warriors came out of the battle.
But! The training of the mobilized must be radically reorganized. The current situation, where everything depends on the officer and the initiative of the mobilized themselves, is categorically wrong and dangerous.
Another claim is of an Mi-24:
Intensification of air activity in Rostov
Insights into today's strike
The issue of approving strikes at the port of Odessa is ongoing
The question of the mobilized:
I will add my 5 kopecks to the rumors about the mobilized. Problems, including with sending the mob to the front, were only in the first days. At that time, no one really understood how to cook and where to send the men, the crest rushed to Svatovo, there was some confusion. The front stabilized very quickly, communication was established, and the mob began to be prepared at the training grounds (somewhere better, somewhere worse, but generally normal).
In those places where the mobilized joined the normal combat units, they began to fight well, but here the mass Elephant FM began, aggravated by calls and letters from frightened women (moreover, crests take the most direct part in dispersing this hysteria). “Everyone abandoned us!”, “The commanders ran away!”.
A friend personally called me and said in hysterics that she had received a call from the front and was told that everyone needed to be rescued urgently, as "tanks and missiles are attacking them." When asked how they could call then, the girl embarrassedly answered that she did not know, maybe someone was sent to the rear with a phone for help.
So here's what I want to say. There is a war going on, the commanders of at least 20 OA and troops of the Central Military District are all in place, and rumors about heavy losses among the mob (they name 150 people at a time) are lies and elephant radio. There are those among the soldiers who really run away from positions and begin to broadcast such tales. Fortunately, there are not many of them, but they stink and shit like from a huge herd. Such cases should be dealt with by a military procurator.
Just now I was with Colonel Sh. in the first echelon and he complained: Look, they write and chat that there are no commanders on the front line, but who knows that I am here now? Even from the personnel, a dozen or two know about this, do I need to come in full dress, build a regiment and say that they say I'm here, 800 meters from the Ukrainian?
Let me summarize. There are problems, they always have them, for everyone, for any army. But rumors about heavy losses among the mob, that it is thrown like meat, and the commanders are sitting somewhere in Russia, are arrogant crap. At least in our direction, everything is exactly the same, and I think that in other directions the situation is similar.
I will add a few words about the mobilized.
Over the past month, I have become convinced that their training and skills, their combat readiness and behavior in real combat depend solely and exclusively on the commander of the unit in which they find themselves.
We don’t have any general training protocol for the mobilized, we don’t have a common coordination protocol, we are not some kind of NATO (as is known from the words of our "military experts", NATO soldiers do not know how to fight, they are all cowards and fools, yeah), this is all for us to nothing. We are, in our way, traditionally, so to speak, like grandfathers 80 years ago. Sometimes, I see that in the same helmets.
We don’t even have a procedure for using the copter at the platoon / company level, and now we all know why. Because copters are not in service with the army at all.
As a result, I know completely opposite stories. When the mobilized are taught practically nothing, well, except to march. And when a reconnaissance company of the mobilized is trained with military weapons, shooting, they work out with them real situations that the instructors themselves have recently gone through. There is only one reason. Officer. Either he is proactive or he doesn't care.
However, no. The mobilized also bear a share of responsibility for themselves. Even from letters I see two types of approach - or people complain about how they are not taught, and that they have nothing.
Or people tell how they demand from commanders to be taught, watch videos on communication and work with UAVs, and ask where to buy what is missing.
Some mobilized already, yes, are participating in the battles. And here the preparation factor again affects, and which commander is in place. I know how recently this fighting unit was replenished with mobilized. And literally the next day there was an attack by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The officers and soldiers, in fact, showed the mobilized an example of how to act. Those more or less calmly worked out what they were taught, someone remembered the skills of Caucasian companies. In short, yesterday's civilians, looking at the fact that more experienced soldiers, and even more so military officers, do not run, they hold the defense, they themselves fired, pierced enemy equipment. Bottom line: the attack bogged down.
And not just mobilized, but real warriors came out of the battle.
But! The training of the mobilized must be radically reorganized. The current situation, where everything depends on the officer and the initiative of the mobilized themselves, is categorically wrong and dangerous.
The oldest claim I have been able to identify is from Ukrainian sources, the Mi-8 appears to be from Russia.
Another claim is of an Mi-24: