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manqiangrexue

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The relationship between the US and Europe is leader and led. EU was created for the purpose of consolidating the markets of European countries and making them into a big economic blob. If that blob also gets a massive military, then the US grip will slip further. It doesn't even matter why Europe aligns with the US, it is all about control - no country or group of countries will be content to continue existing in the "led" position when they have enough power to challenge it. And for the US, the "leader - led" is the only acceptable paradigm. Otherwise, they would not be so hysterical about China.
They cannot challenge the "led" position because there is no cohesive "they." They are scattered parts being led by the US; they couldn't pull themselves together into coherence with the US gone much less challenge it. Body parts don't challenge the head for leadership; that's just how it goes.
Well, whether you like it or not, the US > Europe in 5G IP and SEPs. Also, Qualcomm is ahead of both Erikkson & Nokia in 5G routers and smartphone chips.
As I understand, Erickkson is twice the size of Qualcomm and all chip manufacturing relies on ASML. You can certainly argue that the US is scientifically ahead of Europe, but not that Europe is inconsequential to American tech or that is is small enough for the US to not care.
Well, yes, as long as the USD is the primary currency, the US can print and buy whatever resources it wants while exporting the inflation - that's how it works and that's why China needs to dismantle this system ASAP. The consumption of resources by scientists is miniscule compared to the value added, especially when we are talking about applied research. Even if you have a shortage of resources, you don't throw away scientists - you find someone less useful to dispose.
I repeat: "When the economy gets tight, scientists have trouble getting funding for grants; that's an undebatable fact."

That cannot be countered by how you imagine the USD works on the scientific community.
Everyone and their dog were talking about Europe being energy dependent on Russia, even before the war. It was obvious. The fact that they still escalated, means that they don't view recession in Europe as a big problem.
That could also mean that they thought Russia wouldn't dare fight, that Russia could be reigned in by sanctions as its economy would fall apart before Europe's, or that Russia would be so reliant on energy sales that they would keep selling no matter the terms. America does many stupid irrational things like banning sales to China despite the bans always resulting in indigenization; they cannot be analyzed logically.
You yourself were talking about racism, culture, economic roots, etc., so it should be clear for you that it is going to be easier to attract European scientists to the US.
1. You continuously fail to account for the fact that it was unnecessary to bring them to the US in the first place because they were doing fine in Europe using European resources to help Western science.

2. Racism is prevalent in the population but often less so in the scientific and highly educated community, which are more rational and seeing Chinese advances and top pay, can decide to go there.

In the end, I would agree that it is easier for the US to attract European scientists than China, but it is still a net loss that now, they have to pay for those who come, suffer the lack of productivity from those who don't, and how have to compete with those who go to China. Optimally, as I stated, they would work in the EU for the US on the EU's payroll as they would be in a healthy European economy.
The latter part of your statement rests on the assumption that Europe was going to be forever content with being "led" no matter how big they become in terms of economy, science or military. If that assumption is incorrect, then gaining R&D potential for yourself is better.
True, and I stand by that assumption. The EU is not a large country; it is a band of small countries with their own identities not nearly cohesive enough to share a common hegemonic dream. Just like a country cannot have 30 kings, and animal cannot have 30 heads, the EU cannot stand as a cohesive independent pole of power.
 
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Appix

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TikTok Seen Moving Toward U.S. Security Deal, but Hurdles Remain​

A draft agreement with the Biden administration to keep the Chinese-owned video app operating in the United States is under review. That could mean more wrangling.

The Biden administration and
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have drafted a preliminary agreement to resolve national security concerns posed by the Chinese-owned video app but face hurdles over the terms, as the platform negotiates to keep operating in the United States without major changes to its ownership structure, four people with knowledge of the discussions said.
The two sides have hammered out the foundations of a deal in which TikTok would make changes to its data security and governance without requiring its owner, the
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, to sell it, said three of the people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the negotiations are confidential.

The two sides are still wrangling over the potential agreement. The Justice Department is leading the negotiations with TikTok, and its No. 2 official, Lisa Monaco, has concerns that the terms are not tough enough on China, two people with knowledge of the matter said. The Treasury Department, which plays a key role in approving deals involving national security risks, is also skeptical that the potential agreement with TikTok can sufficiently resolve national security issues, two people with knowledge of the matter said. That could force changes to the terms and drag out a final resolution for months.

TikTok, one of the world’s most popular social media apps, has been under a legal cloud in the United States for more than two years because of its Chinese ties. Lawmakers and regulators have
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about TikTok’s ability to protect the data of American users from Chinese authorities. President Donald J. Trump tried to
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to an American company in 2020 and
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.

If completed, an agreement with the Biden administration is likely to be highly scrutinized, as TikTok has become a symbol of the Cold War-like atmosphere in relations between Beijing and Washington. As part of the tit-for-tat, the nations are
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and digital data. Skepticism toward China is a built-in feature of U.S. politics, and the talks are taking place just weeks before November’s midterm elections.

Completing an agreement may also be difficult at a tricky political moment for the Biden administration, which has stepped up its cadence of criticism and executive actions addressing China. The policy toward Beijing, while expressed in more diplomatic language, is not substantially different from the posture of the Trump White House, reflecting a suspicion of China that now spans the political spectrum. Nevertheless, Republicans have criticized the administration for being too soft on China.

“Anything short of a complete separation” of TikTok from ByteDance “will likely leave significant national security issues regarding operations, data and algorithms unresolved,” Senator Marco Rubio of Florida, the top Republican on the Intelligence Committee, said in a statement.

TikTok has been negotiating with representatives for the
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or CFIUS, a group of federal agencies that reviews investments by foreign entities in American companies, to resolve concerns that the app puts national security at risk. The group would need to sign off on an agreement, and potentially President Biden as well.

A spokesman for the Treasury Department, which leads the group, said that as a general matter, the committee “is committed to taking all necessary actions within its authority to safeguard U.S. national security.”

TikTok declined to comment on the talks but said it was “confident” that it was “on a path to fully satisfy all reasonable U.S. national security concerns.”

Tensions over TikTok have mounted for years. After Mr. Trump ordered ByteDance to sell the app or risk being blocked from Apple’s and Google’s app stores in 2020, the Chinese company
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to sell part of TikTok to Oracle, the American cloud computing company. But the deal
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, and a federal court ruled against Mr. Trump’s attempt to block the app.

That left TikTok’s fate
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. Last year, he issued an order rolling back Mr. Trump’s demand that TikTok be blocked. His administration set out to develop a policy toward the app and others owned by foreign entities.

The Biden administration’s plans for TikTok were thrust back into the spotlight in June when
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reported that the company’s employees in China had access to TikTok’s U.S. data as recently as this year.

Negotiations between CFIUS and TikTok have dragged on as officials wrapped their arms around complex technical questions about the app. They edged closer to a detailed agreement in recent months, two people with knowledge of the discussions said.

Under the draft terms, TikTok would make changes to three main areas, the people with knowledge of the discussions said.

First, TikTok would store its American data solely on servers in the United States, probably run by Oracle, instead of on its own servers in Singapore and Virginia, two of the people said. Second, Oracle is expected to monitor TikTok’s powerful algorithms that determine
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in response to concerns that the Chinese government could use its feed as a way to influence the American public, they said. Lastly, TikTok would create a board of security experts, reporting to the government, to oversee its U.S. operations, three people with knowledge said.

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and BuzzFeed
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TikTok’s plan to store its data with Oracle; Axios
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that Oracle had started monitoring TikTok’s algorithms.
TikTok is represented in the negotiations by the law firms Covington & Burling and Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom, people familiar with the matter said. Among the government officials negotiating a deal are Adam Hickey, a Justice Department national security lawyer, two people with knowledge of the talks said.

Oracle is not directly involved in the negotiations but has been consulted by the government, another person said. Oracle declined to comment.

The terms of the draft deal are being reviewed by Ms. Monaco, among others, four people with knowledge of the matter said. A former Obama White House national security official, Ms. Monaco has a reputation for taking a hard line on Beijing, which has, in part, slowed a resolution, these people said.

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Appix

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Scoop: Oracle begins auditing TikTok's algoralgorithm​


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Illustration: Allie Carl/Axios

Oracle has begun vetting TikTok's algorithms and content moderation models to ensure they aren't manipulated by Chinese authorities, Axios has learned.
Why it matters: The effort is meant to provide further assurance to lawmakers that TikTok's U.S. platform operates independently from influence by the Chinese Communist Party.
  • TikTok is owned by Chinese tech giant ByteDance. ByteDance bought the U.S. lip-syncing app Musical.ly in 2017 and merged it with its version of a similar app called TikTok. The app has since skyrocketed in popularity in the U.S.
Catch up quick: In June, after longstanding pressure from the U.S. government, TikTok said it had
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all its U.S. user data to Oracle's cloud infrastructure.
  • It also hinted that it would establish a partnership with an outside firm to oversee its algorithms in a response to a letter from Republican senators inquiring about its protection of U.S. user data, according to a
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    obtained by The New York Times.
The big picture: Both of those moves are part of a broader TikTok effort called
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, which is meant to give U.S. TikTok users and lawmakers assurance that U.S. user data is safe and content recommendations aren't being manipulated. The project name refers to Oracle's headquarters in Texas.
  • TikTok has been preparing Project Texas for
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    by separating its U.S. operations' backend functions and code.
Details: The new arrangement gives Oracle "regular vetting and validation" of TikTok's content recommendation and moderation models, a spokesperson confirmed to Axios.
  • The reviews, a source told Axios, began officially last week, now that all new U.S. user traffic is being routed to Oracle's cloud infrastructure. (It's still unclear when TikTok will be done migrating all of its previous U.S. user data over to Oracle's cloud,
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    .)
  • The reviews give Oracle visibility into how TikTok's algorithms surfaces content "to ensure that outcomes are in line with expectations and that the models have not been manipulated in any way," the spokesperson said.
  • A Guardian
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    from 2019 suggested that TikTok had in the past censored content in a way that aligned with Beijing's foreign policy messaging. TikTok has said that it has since changed its content moderation guidelines.
Between the lines: Oracle will also conduct regular audits of TikTok's content moderation processes, including those involving automated systems and those employing people, a spokesperson said.
  • Last month, TikTok
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    it would give select researchers access to anonymized public data on the platform's algorithm and content moderation process later this year.
  • Giving Oracle access "will ensure that content continues to be flagged and actioned appropriately based on our Community Guidelines and no other factors," the spokesperson added.
Be smart: TikTok has in the past broadly
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how its algorithm works, but lawmakers have more recently
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over how that algorithm is moderated and who gets access to the data used to fuel its recommendations.
  • A June BuzzFeed
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    found that U.S. user data had been repeatedly accessed in China, a revelation that
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    from lawmakers.
  • A TikTok spokesperson said the report showed "TikTok is doing exactly what it said it would: addressing concerns around access to U.S. user data by employees outside the U.S."
The big picture: The partnership between Oracle and TikTok was
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in 2020 to stave off a
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by then-president Donald Trump to ban TikTok over national security concerns.
  • It's unclear whether the partnership will be enough to stave off
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    , which initially ordered ByteDance to sell TikTok in 2020.
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They cannot challenge the "led" position because there is no cohesive "they." They are scattered parts being led by the US; they couldn't pull themselves together into coherence with the US gone much less challenge it. Body parts don't challenge the head for leadership; that's just how it goes.
The part about cohesive "they" is true but if Europe ceases being "led", then all countries within the union will benefit, it is a "win-win" condition for them so there is a unifying goal to obtain there. Plus there's already de-facto leadership in Europe - Germany & France with the first being the economic muscle and the latter being the military one. If they do become the "leader", then sure, the cracks would show and they wouldn't stay at the top for long.

If the US was gone or did not exist, there would be no EU in the first place because that blob was formed primarily to create a competitive singular market.
As I understand, Erickkson is twice the size of Qualcomm and all chip manufacturing relies on ASML. You can certainly argue that the US is scientifically ahead of Europe, but not that Europe is inconsequential to American tech or that is is small enough for the US to not care.
In terms of revenue, Erickkson is around half of Qualcomm. ASML is only one part of the huge semiconductor production chain - the US companies dominate almost all other fields from EDA to wafer cleaning with some Japanese companies mixed in (e.g. Tokyo Electron) and some Chinese companies that are slowly gaining market share (like AMEC in plasma etching). ASML itself relies on the EUV power source produced in the US through Cymer.

European research is strong in fundamental sciences and some of the more "older" engineering branches. For example, in AI the Europe is significantly behind partially because they got colonized by the US big tech while China was able to avoid that trap. Quantum computing & communications are again China\USA, biotech is dominated by the US, etc.
I repeat: "When the economy gets tight, scientists have trouble getting funding for grants; that's an undebatable fact."

That is the end fact that cannot be countered by how you imagine the USD works on the scientific community.
The US just recently passed its science bill that exactly gives lots of funding to fundamental & applied research.
That could also mean that they thought Russia wouldn't dare fight, that Russia could be reigned in by sanctions as its economy would fall apart before Europe's, or that Russia would be so reliant on energy sales that they would keep selling no matter the terms. America does many stupid irrational things like banning sales to China despite the bans always resulting in indigenization; they cannot be analyzed logically.
Yes, it could, true - we are both speculating there, who knows what was the true reason. My opinion is primarily based on how the US treated its "allies" when they became challenging in some fields - like basically kidnapping CEO of Alcatel, crushing Japanese economy, etc.
2. Racism is prevalent in the population but often less so in the scientific and highly educated community, which are more rational and seeing Chinese advances and top pay, can decide to go there.
Oh, it is a coin toss actually. There are many racists in the scientific community and most of the time they are even worse than your average xenophobic hillbilly because they try to "explain" it - that's how we get all those racial theories, eugenics, etc.
In the end, I would agree that it is easier for the US to attract European scientists than China, but it is still a net loss that now, they have to pay for those who come, suffer the lack of productivity from those who don't, and how have to compete with those who go to China. Optimally, as I stated, they would work in the EU for the US on the EU's payroll as they would be in a healthy European economy.
True, and I stand by that assumption. The US is not a large country; it is a band of small countries with their own identities not nearly cohesive enough to share a common hegemonic dream. Just like a country cannot have 30 kings, the EU cannot stand as a cohesive independent pole of power.
Well, I agree to disagree there and the sequential issues then, because they are mostly opinion-based and we have different approaches to thinking about those issues. I can see the reasoning behind your explanation and I laid out mine at the top.
 

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I also believe that this situation is not favorable to the US. The US probably wanted either to take the Ukraine into NATO with Russia unwilling to fight or to have a war that drains Russia but it did not think that Russia could economically fight and drain Europe. The EU was still a yes-man for the US; sure there are some complaints when you order countries to do things against their own benefit to serve US interests but these countries did it, just like slaves complain before completing grueling tasks. Huawei was banned; I don't know why you say it's not banned anywhere. The EU agrees to the tech embargo against China and to work with the US on technology. ASML, scrapped all EUVL deliveries to China because the US ordered the Dutch to do so.

The real fight that will determine whether the US is succeeded by China as the next paramount superpower or if it keeps its crown has nothing to do with Ukraine, or Russia for that matter. The real fight that matters is the tech war with China; if China wins, America is done. America cannot innovate beyond China and is basically watching itself get overrun by Chinese advances in every field. It does not have the strength in itself to compete against China (it has better tools that it accumulated throughout the years, but that advantage is waning, and it has a much smaller STEM population than China and its people are not nearly as smart or driven as the Chinese) so its last lifeline is to call upon others lend their strength to it and this call is successful in Europe. When the Europeans are too poor to put great finanical strength into tech innovation and pass that onto the US, it hurts America and benefits China. Russia can't be of much help to China in the tech war but if it can neutralize the EU as a US partner while expanding itself into the Ukraine, it will be 1.) great for China, 2.) bad for the US, and 3.) painful but good for Russia.
China vs. US is all about the economy. That’s the real fight. STEM and tech are all parts of that. China should focus on its economy, improve productivity, continue to move up the value chain, not get sucked into a Taiwan war, and not make the same mistakes the Soviets made in terms of arms race etc. etc….
 

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Japan bids farewell to former prime minister Paramount Leader, Eternal God Emperor Shinzo Abe at controversial state funeral


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"Saraba, Abe-sama! Banzai! Banzai! Banzai!"


... I had to debate with myself not to mock the person's own funeral, but they're not making it easy.
 

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Japan bids farewell to former prime minister Paramount Leader, Eternal God Emperor Shinzo Abe at controversial state funeral


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"Saraba, Abe-sama! Banzai! Banzai! Banzai!"


... I had to debate with myself not to mock the person's own funeral, but they're not making it easy.

What you have done pales in comparison with...

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